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SCALIA RAPS GORE FOR '00 (USSC Justice says Gore people forced election 2000 into courts)
NY POST ^ | November 22, 2005 | FRANKIE EDOZIEN

Posted on 11/22/2005 5:45:52 AM PST by Liz

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To: IndyInVa

I stand corrected.


81 posted on 11/23/2005 9:42:03 AM PST by proudpapa (of three.)
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To: Trajan88

I was in Bahrain on a quick business trip. Got up Wednesday morning to watch the final returns and instead saw the nightmare begin.


82 posted on 11/23/2005 9:48:39 AM PST by Rummyfan
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To: Smedley; Liz

There was the original recount of the original count. Then a recount of the recount. Then a recount of that and then selected recounts in Dem strongholds, with election officals trying to 'divine' voter intent from ballots rejected by the machines. It was voting in la-la land! Incidentally, these were all initiated by Gore - he could have stopped it at any time. GWB, as the winner, could not stop the recounting of the recounted votes.


83 posted on 11/23/2005 9:53:06 AM PST by Rummyfan
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To: Liz
A tale of two Al's: Al Franken, a complete blithering idiot and a fool. Al Gore, a political loser that acts like a blithering idiot and a fool. They are about equal in lying though.
84 posted on 11/23/2005 10:20:07 AM PST by fish hawk (I am only one, but I am not the only one.)
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To: Liz
Gore very simply almost WON.. The same people that voted for him are being prepared NOW to 2006, 2008.. And republican outrage against voter fraud is non existant.. Interesting times await..

Did "they" learn from 2000?..
Probably so.. interesting times DO await..
Hillary has not jumped the shark.. Hillary IS THE SHARK..
RINOS are barking seals..

85 posted on 11/23/2005 10:56:09 AM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole..)
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86 posted on 11/23/2005 12:08:55 PM PST by Mo1 (Message to Democrats .... We do not surrender and run from a fight !!)
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To: chiller
As I remember, it should have been the Florida State legislators who stepped up - according to Florida law - to resolve the issue. They chickened of course, probably fearing the never used provision would be made to look like tampering.

That only came into play 6 days before the electoral college. The legislature was all ready to go.

87 posted on 11/23/2005 12:18:50 PM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion
Actually, she had - pursuant to the law - already named them; the legislature should have simply closed out the time for the SCoFla to hear challenges and mandate recounts.

They actually had...that was part of what the SCOFLA was intentionally ignoring. Additionally, by FL Law, the vote certification had to be done 26 days before the Electoral college met, and the SCOFLA forced it past that date, thus ensuring that Gore could not legally win.

88 posted on 11/23/2005 12:24:51 PM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: GSWarrior
Doesn't matter. People who want to believe that Bush stole Florida will deny any and all evidence to the contrary.

Heck, they believe that only 5 justices disagreed with Floridas rulings, when in fact, none agreed. 7 found the ruling unconstitutional (Including Breyer); 1 agreed the ruling was wrong, but not unconstitutionally so (On the grounds that even if courts mangle law beyond recognition, they are technically not legislating); and one thought it was rude to so publicly and firmly slap down a State Supreme Court regardless of how peculiar their ruling was.

89 posted on 11/23/2005 12:30:54 PM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Liz
Ruling in the majority were Chief Justice William H. Rehnquist and Justices Sandra Day O'Connor, Antonin Scalia, Anthony M. Kennedy and Clarence Thomas. Dissenting were Justices John Paul Stevens, David H. Souter, Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Breyer.

Ummm. Not exactly. That was only on the method for resolving the problem. That SCOFLA ruling was unconstitutional was 7-2.

The dissenting Justices John Paul Stevens, David H. Souter, Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Breyer, were trying to throw away a precedent (Safe Harbor of 6 days) that the SCOTUS had unanimously affirmed roughly two weeks before, with no justification - else have the State of Florida come up with plans for a recount and execute it within a matter of hours, after SCOFLA having blown off the previous instructions to do so without even acknowledging them.

90 posted on 11/23/2005 12:37:11 PM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: stevem
What sealed it for Bush, despite CBS's best efforts were the facts and the law, both firmly in Bush's corner.

That, and the Gore legal team was repeatedly caught falsifying evidence given to their expert witnesses rather than working with what they did have. Ugh...people should have been prosecuted for the fake paper, and the re-arranged punch cards, and so forth.

91 posted on 11/23/2005 12:39:41 PM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: FlipWilson
Really, at the end of the day it all comes down to this. Gore lost a close election, but unlike others who had lost close elections in the past, Gore refused to accept the results and exploited known flaws in our election system to try and overturn the result.

...and when it became clear that that wouldn't work, he kept going in a clear attempt to undermine the new President.

92 posted on 11/23/2005 12:41:56 PM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Rummyfan
And the butterfly ballot was too confusing! If you court voters who are to stupid to vote, that's what you get!

Yeah...various studies were done with various grade elementary school students totalling more than a thousand kids. Not one failed to execute the ballot properly.

93 posted on 11/23/2005 12:45:05 PM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Rummyfan
And the butterfly ballot was too confusing! If you court voters who are to stupid to vote, that's what you get!

Yeah...various studies were done with various grade elementary school students totalling more than a thousand kids. Not one child failed to execute the ballot properly.

94 posted on 11/23/2005 12:45:19 PM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: gondramB
But honestly, in the end, the election was decided by who had a 5 person majority on the supreme court. One more liberal justice and Gore would might well have been President.

Probably not. Breyer, after all, decided that the SCOFLA ruling was unconstitutional. The 5-4 decision just blocked them from kicking things down the road a few days, to the point where various other parts of the election system would kick in and make the SCOFLA and the vote count legally meaningless - though perhaps still politically damaging.

95 posted on 11/23/2005 12:48:55 PM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Liz
Right....Baker's was brilliant lawyering.

Personally, I think it was the oral argument by Katherine Harris' lawyer Joe Klock that turned the tide. When asked by the justices what the substantive standards should be, Klock said:

JUSTICE SOUTER: Mr. Klock, will you address Justice Breyer's question of a moment ago? If there were to be a uniform standard laid down, I suppose, at this point, by the Leon County Circuit Court, or in any other valid way, in your judgment, what should the substantive standard be?

MR. KLOCK: I'll try to answer that question. You would think -- I would -- you would start, I would believe, with the requirements that the voter has when they go into the booth. That would be a standard to start with. The voter is told in the polling place and then when they walk into the booth that what you are supposed to do with respect to the punch cards is put the ballot in, punch your selections, take the ballot out, and make sure there are no hanging pieces of paper attached to it.

The whole issue of what constitutes a legal vote, which the Democrats make much ado about, presumes that it's a legal vote no matter what you do with the card. And presumably you could take the card out of the polling place and not stick it in the box, and they would consider that to be a legal vote. The fact is, is that a legal vote, at the very basics, has to at least be following the instructions that you are given and placing the ballot in the box.

I recall that wording to the effect that voters have a responsibility to follow the instructions in the booth, made it into the final decision.

-PJ

96 posted on 11/23/2005 12:50:19 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (It's still not safe to vote Democrat.)
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To: Liz

This has the potential of a very funny FReeper thread.

I still cannot believe it has been 5 years already. I was a basket case back in those days, until this thing was settled. The media and Gore did a great disservice to this country, and we should return the same to them.

Some humiliation might help.


97 posted on 11/23/2005 12:50:54 PM PST by Radix (Wishful Thinking: A Tag Line Field which actually contains enough places to complete a serious thou)
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To: Liz

Ironic, when one considers that Al invented the US Supreme Court.


98 posted on 11/23/2005 12:52:06 PM PST by Redcloak (We'll raise up our glasses against evil forces singin' "whiskey for my men and beer for my horses!")
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To: chiller
I supppose Dems legal action usurped the proper course of action? Has this been resolved, I wonder, in Florida law?

The federal Safe Harbor law on elections states that if it isn't resolved by the 7th day before the Electoral college meets in a manner in accordance with the law in place prior to the election, that the State Legislature may pick the electors for their states any way they want. Thus, it didn't come into play until midnight Dec 12th. The Florida State Legislature had prepped everything and was ready to go, but couldn't act until after that deadline - or they'd be changing the law and thus be inviting the USHoR to ignore the electoral college ballots.

99 posted on 11/23/2005 12:53:59 PM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: fml
It's funny 'cause it's true bleed'n obvious. And yet the Dims still don't get it.
100 posted on 11/23/2005 12:55:27 PM PST by Stultis (I don't worry about the war turning into "Vietnam" in Iraq; I worry about it doing so in Congress.)
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