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To: Cicero

It appears that ID is not attracting Christians, either. ID does not support Trinity theory and does not support the Bible.

from an interview:
Church of the Nazarene
Rev. Ron Moeller, Pastor

"There isn't very much interest here in intelligent design, because we think the most important thing is saving souls for our Lord Jesus. It doesn't matter if people believe in evolution as a way of understanding the flowers and meadows and animals of God's creation. People come to Christ sometimes by the Bible, but just as often by personal experiences of the Holy Spirit and are born again, sometimes by family or friends, sometimes, I hope, by their pastor. Intelligent design doesn't help at all, because it has no foundation in the Bible.

"It has come up a few times in our Adult Study classes, but the 'specified complexity' and stuff didn't attract much interest. Someone asked, "What does this have to do with the Bible?"

The Presiding Bishop said that "ID opens the door to pantheism and every kind of New Age cults. And it does not mention Christ or the soul, so it is not Christian, and doesn't seem to be good science."

"It [Intelligent design] is probably like one of these cults that come along every few years, like New Age. Maybe it will become its own church, like Scientology or Christian Science. I think in two or three years we will hear very little from them."


184 posted on 11/22/2005 6:19:07 PM PST by thomaswest (Just Curious)
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To: thomaswest

Actually, Intelligent Design theory simply suggests that the evidence makes it likely that some intelligent designer was at work behind the universe as we find it. It makes no claim as to what or who that intelligence is.

Just as you might pick up a piece of flint shaped as an arrowhead and say, "This looks as if it was shaped by intelligence, not chance," so the ID theorist looks at aspects of nature and comes to similar conclusions.

To go from there to say that the creating intelligence is God is a matter for religion, not science. The doctrine of the Trinity and the revelation that Jesus is Savior are things that have been revealed. They are beyond the scope of natural philosophy or theology or science to discover.

So, I think the pastor you cite somewhat misunderstands what ID theorists claim.


197 posted on 11/22/2005 6:30:45 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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