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Pew Poll: Media Elites Think Iraq a Mistake, Doomed to Fail
NRO ^ | Stephen Spruiell

Posted on 11/22/2005 1:23:12 PM PST by hipaatwo

Poll results here. This from the Media Research Center analysis:

The news media elite are to the left of the public in several policy areas related to the war on terrorism, a poll "of opinion leaders and the general public conducted by the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press in collaboration with the Council on Foreign Relations," found. While 56 percent of the public believes "efforts to establish a stable democracy" in Iraq will succeed, 63 percent of the news media elite think it will fail; a plurality of 48 percent of the public think going to war in Iraq was correct, but 71 percent of the news media elite consider it a bad decision; the public is split evenly at 44 percent on whether the Iraq war has helped or hurt the war on terrorism, but an overwhelming 68 percent of the news media elite say it has hurt; and 46 percent of the public believe torture of terrorist suspects is often or sometimes "justified," 78 percent of the news media elite contend it is "rarely" or "never" justified. Plus, news media elite approval of Bush's job performance — at a lowly 21 percent — is half that of the public's.

(Thanks to MB reader Mark E. for the tip)


TOPICS: News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: liberalmedia; mediaelites; msm; pew; pollsoniraq

1 posted on 11/22/2005 1:23:13 PM PST by hipaatwo
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To: hipaatwo

proves even more that the Media elite is out of touch with most of the rest of society.


2 posted on 11/22/2005 1:24:11 PM PST by Americanwolf (Support the Minutemen Civil Defense Corp...Doing the Job our government won't !)
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To: Americanwolf
proves even more that the Media elite is out of touch with most of the rest of society.

The media elite are not out of touch, the media elite are plotting against the rest of the U.S. society.

3 posted on 11/22/2005 1:28:20 PM PST by Paul C. Jesup
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To: Americanwolf

I'm sure it's news to the "media elite", but, well, duh!

They actually had to do a poll on that ?


4 posted on 11/22/2005 1:28:58 PM PST by farlander
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To: hipaatwo

The media elites are to the left of the pUblic in EVERYTHING.


5 posted on 11/22/2005 1:29:02 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: Paul C. Jesup

I would say if they are plotting against the rest of US society, then they are out of touch... IMHO


6 posted on 11/22/2005 1:29:26 PM PST by Americanwolf (Support the Minutemen Civil Defense Corp...Doing the Job our government won't !)
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To: hipaatwo

They can see the future, eh? Right up there with Miss Cleo.


7 posted on 11/22/2005 1:30:06 PM PST by popdonnelly
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To: hipaatwo

Speaking of failure, how have those media stocks been doing lately?


8 posted on 11/22/2005 1:30:13 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: hipaatwo

Sounds like the 'media' is in the game of trying to brainwash the general population into seeing things their way. Doesn't sound like it is working.


9 posted on 11/22/2005 1:30:25 PM PST by MagnoliaB
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To: farlander

true... we see it in every paper and every news cast...to do a poll to find this opinion out from the media elite is like doing a poll to see if Alcholics in a Rehab clinic want a beer...


10 posted on 11/22/2005 1:31:23 PM PST by Americanwolf (Support the Minutemen Civil Defense Corp...Doing the Job our government won't !)
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To: hipaatwo
They will assist in any way to push failure, they should be locked out of access.
12 posted on 11/22/2005 1:32:28 PM PST by boomop1
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To: Americanwolf

I can't stand the term "media Elites" Take out the E and that's what they really stand for!

Dictionary terms for today:

Pedialite: clear liquid fluid used to help sick and diarhea-ridden children.

Medialites: clearly liquid brain filled media ghouls used to help sick and diarhea of the mouth liberals achieve their goals.


13 posted on 11/22/2005 1:32:33 PM PST by princess leah
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To: hipaatwo

What is a media elite?

I mean...have they ever carried a rifle and walked a post? what makes them military strategy gurus?

They're only jurnocrats from Columbia school of journalism or some other BS school...and come on, we all know journos weren't the sharpest tools in the shed in college, so, IMHO they're not experts or sage's on anything. They're only relevant in their own mind and, basically, propagandists.


14 posted on 11/22/2005 1:33:39 PM PST by in hoc signo vinces ("Houston, TX...a waiting quagmire for jihadis.")
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To: Bavarian Leprechaun

because that is how they view themselves... the run the news soo they feel they are above everyone else and know all.


15 posted on 11/22/2005 1:33:51 PM PST by Americanwolf (Support the Minutemen Civil Defense Corp...Doing the Job our government won't !)
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To: hipaatwo
Maybe they should read this....

November 21, 2005 - The following is a letter sent to the Mother of an American soldier currently serving with the 101st Airborne Division in Iraq. Per his request - via his Mother - we offer it to you.

Special thanks to Jack and Carol Ott for getting this to us:

Mom, Be my voice. I want this message heard. It is mine and my platoon’s to the country. A man I know lost his legs the other night. He is in another company in our battalion. I can no longer be silent after watching the sacrifices made by Iraqis and Americans everyday. Send it to a congressman if you have to. Send it to FOX news if you have to. Let this message be heard please…

My fellow Americans, I have a task for those with the courage and fortitude to take it. I have a message that needs not fall on deaf ears. A vision the blind need to see. I am not a political man nor one with great wisdom. I am just a soldier who finds himself helping rebuild a country that he helped liberate a couple years ago.

I have watched on television how the American public questions why their mothers, fathers, brothers, and sisters are fighting and dying in a country 9000 miles away from their own soil. Take the word of a soldier, for that is all I am, that our cause is a noble one. The reason we are here is one worth fighting for. A cause that has been the most costly and sought after cause in our small span of existence on our little planet. Bought in blood and paid for by those brave enough to give the ultimate sacrifice to obtain it. A right that is given to every man, woman, and child I believe by God. I am talking of freedom.

Freedom. One word but yet countless words could never capture it’s true meaning or power. “For those who have fought for it, freedom has a taste the protected will never know.” I read that once and it couldn’t be more true. It’s not the average American’s fault that he or she is “blind and deaf” to the taste of freedom. Most American’s are born into their God given right so it is all they ever know. I was once one of them. I would even dare to say that it isn’t surprising that they take for granted what they have had all their life. My experiences in the military however opened my eyes to the truth.

Ironically you will find the biggest outcries of opposition to our cause from those who have had no military experience and haven’t had to fight for freedom. I challenge all of those who are daring enough to question such a noble cause to come here for just a month and see it first hand. I have a feeling that many voices would be silenced.

I watched Cindy Sheehan sit on the President’s lawn and say that America isn’t worth dying for. Later she corrected herself and said Iraq isn’t worth dying for. She badmouthed all that her son had fought and died for. I bet he is rolling over in his grave.

Ladies and gentleman I ask you this. What if you lived in a country that wasn’t free? What if someone told you when you could have heat, electricity, and water? What if you had no sewage systems so human waste flowed into the streets? What if someone would kill you for bad-mouthing your government? What if you weren’t allowed to watch TV, connect to the internet, or have cell phones unless under extreme censorship? What if you couldn’t put shoes on your child’s feet?

You need not to have a great understanding of the world but rather common sense to realize that it is our duty as HUMAN BEINGS to free the oppressed. If you lived that way would you not want someone to help you????

The Iraqi’s pour into the streets to wave at us and when we liberated the cities during the war they gathered in the thousands to cheer, hug and kiss us. It was what the soldier’s in WW2 experienced, yet no one questioned their cause!! Saddam was no better than Hitler! He tortured and killed thousands of innocent people. We are heroes over here, yet American’s badmouth our President for having us here.

Every police station here has a dozen or more memorials for officers that were murdered trying to ensure that their people live free. These are husbands, fathers, and sons killed every day. What if it were your country? What would your choice be? Everything we fight for is worth the blood that may be shed. The media never reports the true HEROISM I witness everyday in the Iraqi’s. Yes there are bad one’s here, but I assure you they are a minuscule percent. Yet they are a number big enough to cause worry in this country’s future.

I have watched brave souls give their all and lose their lives and limbs for this cause. I will no longer stand silent and let the “deaf and blind” be the only voice shouting. Stonewall Jackson once said, “All that I have, all that I am is at the service of the country.” For these brave souls who gave the ultimate sacrifice, including your son Cindy Sheehan, I will shout till I can no longer. These men and women are heroes. Their spirit lives on in their military and they will never be forgotten. They did not die in vain but rather for a cause that is larger than all of us.

My fellow countrymen and women, we are not overseas for our country alone but also another. We are here to spread democracy and freedom to those who KNOW the true taste of it because they fight for it everyday. You can see the desire in their eyes and I am honored to fight alongside them as an Infantryman in the 101st Airborne.

Freedom is not free, but yet it is everyone’s right to have. Ironic isn’t it? That is why we are here. Though you will always have the skeptics, I know that most of our military will agree with this message. Please, at the request of this soldier spread this message to all you know. We are in Operation Iraqi Freedom and that is our goal. It is a cause that I and thousands of others stand ready to pay the ultimate sacrifice for because, Cindy Sheehan, freedom is worth dying for, no matter what country it is! And after the world is free only then can we hope to have peace.

SGT Walter J. Rausch and 1st Platoon 101st Airborne Division (Air Assault) >

16 posted on 11/22/2005 1:33:56 PM PST by tndarlin
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To: hipaatwo
But "Professional Journalists" never let their personal beliefs influence their reporting. (cough....cough)
17 posted on 11/22/2005 1:34:17 PM PST by digger48
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To: hipaatwo

I'm shocked,SHOCKED I tell you..They never let it show/S


18 posted on 11/22/2005 1:35:15 PM PST by MEG33 (GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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To: princess leah; All
Medialites: clearly liquid brain filled media ghouls used to help sick and diarrhea of the mouth liberals achieve their goals. ROFLMAO!!!!!! I will have to remember that... :) 2 point for creating new Freerepublic lexicon...
19 posted on 11/22/2005 1:35:25 PM PST by Americanwolf (Support the Minutemen Civil Defense Corp...Doing the Job our government won't !)
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To: hipaatwo

In true Best of the Web Today fashion:

You don't say:
Media Elites Think Iraq a Mistake, Doomed to Fail


20 posted on 11/22/2005 1:35:43 PM PST by Personal Responsibility (Liberalism is the disease of the stupid - The Great One)
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To: Americanwolf

AND reality.


21 posted on 11/22/2005 1:35:59 PM PST by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: hipaatwo

As long as their preconception doesn't effect their objective reporting, I don't think it's any big deal.


22 posted on 11/22/2005 1:36:23 PM PST by pawdoggie
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To: hipaatwo

And we needed a poll to tell us this. I thought it was obvious.


23 posted on 11/22/2005 1:36:31 PM PST by w1andsodidwe (Jimmy Carter allowed radical Islam to get a foothold in Iran.)
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To: Bavarian Leprechaun

Apparently, because they get to 'publish' the media (in whateveryoulike form). Regardless, I wonder the same thing you do.


24 posted on 11/22/2005 1:36:51 PM PST by Gaffer
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To: hipaatwo

These jerks are hoping and praying that we lose in Iraq, simply to destroy the The Bush Man and regain power in the White House. Their problem is we are on the verge of victory and this Iraq vote in December will get us a step closer. By winning in Iraq we will not only insure liberty & freedom there but devastate the DemocRAT Party.


25 posted on 11/22/2005 1:36:55 PM PST by KenmcG414
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To: ZULU

Well I thought that was a given by saying they were out of touch with society.... :)


26 posted on 11/22/2005 1:37:00 PM PST by Americanwolf (Support the Minutemen Civil Defense Corp...Doing the Job our government won't !)
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To: hipaatwo

And MSM wonders? Try buying a vowel on occasion.


27 posted on 11/22/2005 1:37:48 PM PST by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: hipaatwo

These,no doubt,are the same "media elites" who,in 1992,went
89% for The Most Ethical President In History while the general public went 43% in his favor.


28 posted on 11/22/2005 1:41:17 PM PST by Gay State Conservative
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To: hipaatwo
Such a surprise! /S

During the war, before the occupation, this bias was blatant:

Once the occupation started it continued.

Q.E.D.

29 posted on 11/22/2005 1:41:50 PM PST by Dilbert56
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To: hipaatwo

Holy waste of polling time.

They needed a poll to figure this out?


30 posted on 11/22/2005 1:41:53 PM PST by nuffsenuff (Don't get stuck on Stupid - General Russ Honore Sept 21, 2005)
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To: hipaatwo

Who in the heck ever gave the media the name media elites? They are news people sitting behind a desk giving US the news. That's all. Now we don't even need them anymore. Elites? My foot theya re elites. They are IDIOTES. :)


31 posted on 11/22/2005 1:44:15 PM PST by cubreporter (I trust Rush. He's done more for our country than we will ever know. He's the man!)
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To: nuffsenuff

if it wasnt for the US military, there would be no "media elite"


32 posted on 11/22/2005 1:44:43 PM PST by basalt
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To: Bavarian Leprechaun
"Why are these folks called "elite"?"

Because it is assumed they have so little actual work to do that they have enough time to sit around and decide what is best for us.

33 posted on 11/22/2005 1:47:48 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: hipaatwo

It sounds like they are doing their best to turn this into a self-fulfilling prophesy.


34 posted on 11/22/2005 1:48:54 PM PST by Daralundy
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To: hipaatwo

Another big shuffle of deck chairs aboard the M.S.M. Titanic.


35 posted on 11/22/2005 1:59:29 PM PST by theDentist (The Dems have put all their eggs in one basket-case: Howard "Belltower" Dean.)
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To: hipaatwo

Liberals are by definition cowards, IMO.

The results of this poll are predictable.


36 posted on 11/22/2005 1:59:30 PM PST by Pox
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To: hipaatwo

Media biased to the left?? Say it Ain't so...

News flash

Ursine mammals leave post digested organic material in arboreal regions.

100% certain Pope is Catholic

Blackhawks still stink


37 posted on 11/22/2005 2:04:23 PM PST by slapshot ("USAF- when you absolutely, positively need it delivered on target, on time, right away")
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To: hipaatwo
Media Elites

May they rot in Dhimmitude.

38 posted on 11/22/2005 2:05:45 PM PST by SIDENET ("IT'S A COOKBOOK!!!")
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To: Personal Responsibility

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1526870/posts
On the Other Hand ... (William F. Buckley Jr. on Iraq
snip
....note that many people assured me that a constitution would never be ratified in Iraq. They were, by and large, the same people who assured me that were the U.S. to invade Iraq, the Arab street would erupt in a world jihad.


"The supposedly impossible thing in fact happened, and the dead certainty failed to take place. Even more curious is how little difference that has made in the --- is the word appropriate? --- debate. Reality --- what actually happened or seemed to happen --- somehow hasn't counted for much when it comes to informing opinion on Iraq. Six months from the election takes us to 15 June. It would be interesting to step back and specify some milestones by which we could judge the campaign: what developments, were they accomplished, would lead us to judge the venture a success? What are some alternative eventualities that would compel us to acknowledge failure?


"We could scribble a few such criteria on a sheet of paper now and seal it in an envelope marked, 'Do not open until June 15, 2006.' Then, on a balmy summer eve, we could have an envelope-opening ceremony and see where things stood. I suspect the backers of Mr. Bush would have something to celebrate."

The "elite media" and the dems keep moving the goalposts..I think this exercise would be interesting..



39 posted on 11/22/2005 2:16:12 PM PST by MEG33 (GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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To: Dilbert56

Damn straight.

I live in a community where many of our military live. Many of them have been to Iraq and Afghanistan. The stories they tell about our successes over there NEVER make it into the leftist media. We are effecting an incredible transformation in these two nations and all the defeatist media can report is the occasional car bomb or suicide attack - as if that is all that is happening over there.

The defeatist media is seditious at best, treasonous at worst. They do all they can to lose the war by undermining morale and subverting the war effort. Nothing they say can be taken at face value. Our people in the Middle East are performing magnificently and deserve praise and recognition for their work. They will never get it from the defeatist media or the dimrat party.


40 posted on 11/22/2005 2:17:00 PM PST by scory
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To: hipaatwo
There is another poll out for years that shows the falling popularity of news organizations. This poll is the only accurate poll because it involves the sales of products like newspapers and such. TV coverage is so bad that it spawned the spread of cable and satellite media. I will be short of stuff to light my stove when newspapers are gone!
41 posted on 11/22/2005 2:37:45 PM PST by mountainlyons (Still angry after all these years!)
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To: Americanwolf

Are any members of the media not elite? And if so, who are they and what are they called? The media commoners? The media non-elites? The poor slob media? Someone help me with this.


42 posted on 11/22/2005 2:46:03 PM PST by BlueYonder
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To: BlueYonder
Are any members of the media not elite? And if so, who are they and what are they called?

Got my own answer: they're called Fox News.

43 posted on 11/22/2005 2:47:49 PM PST by BlueYonder
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To: BlueYonder

yeah those that are not part of the elite in the media...are either called Interns or janitors...


44 posted on 11/22/2005 2:49:19 PM PST by Americanwolf (Support the Minutemen Civil Defense Corp...Doing the Job our government won't !)
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To: hipaatwo

I wonder who paid for this poll?


45 posted on 11/22/2005 3:07:42 PM PST by Unicorn (Too many wimps around.)
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