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When US bars its door to foreign scholars
The Christian Science Monitor ^ | November 23, 2005

Posted on 11/22/2005 7:25:22 PM PST by F14 Pilot

Concern is mounting that the US government is using antiterror laws - namely, the Patriot Act - to revive a now-discredited practice common during the cold war: the prevention of foreign intellectuals who are critical of administration policies from entering the country and sharing their views with Americans. The practice, called ideological exclusion, became illegal in 1990. But a recent lawsuit - brought by the American Association of University Professors, the American Civil Liberties Union, and the PEN American Center under the Freedom of Information Act - is asking the Bush administration to explain its decisions to revoke or deny visas to several foreign scholars, and why they don't violate free-speech protections.

"This is about free speech, the purpose of colleges and universities," says Donna Euben, counsel for the AAUP in Washington. "We're not challenging the [USA Patriot Act] itself. We're just asking for information about its application to these particular scholars where there is no evidence that they have supported terrorism in any way."

In their suit, the groups cite the cases of several foreign scholars. One, Tariq Ramadan, is a prominent Swiss Muslim scholar who has condemned terrorism and routinely come to the United States on speaking tours in the past. In 2004, as he was preparing to take up a teaching post at the University of Notre Dame, his visa was revoked. The US government gave no formal reason, but press reports suggested the denial was based on "antiterrorism law."

Another scholar, Dora Maria Tellez, is a former Nicaraguan government official who more than a decade ago was involved in the overthrow of the US-backed Somoza regime. She had been lined up to teach at Harvard University, but last January her visa was denied.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: aaup; aclu; america; donnaeuben; doramariatellez; euben; harvard; homelandsecurity; lawsuit; leftists; nicaragua; notredame; patriotact; penamericancenter; sandinistas; scholars; security; tariqramadan; tellez; uofnotredame; us; wot

1 posted on 11/22/2005 7:25:23 PM PST by F14 Pilot
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To: F14 Pilot

If these are Islamic "scholars" whose sole mission is to convert, preach hate, and incite then no thanks. We're full.


2 posted on 11/22/2005 7:27:42 PM PST by rbg81
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To: F14 Pilot
"Dora Maria Tellez, is a former Nicaraguan government official who more than a decade ago was involved in the overthrow of the US-backed Somoza regime.

She was a Sandinista leader for cripes sakes!

3 posted on 11/22/2005 7:31:56 PM PST by LibFreeOrDie (L'chaim!)
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To: F14 Pilot

This is so much nonsense.....my visa describes me as a foreign scholar. Never had any problems with the US Govt. and have been welcomed by people across America (I have been living here for a few years).

Basically, the lawsuit by the usual culprits is designed to ensure that America-hating types get a platform here. Buffoons.


4 posted on 11/22/2005 7:31:59 PM PST by indcons (FReepmail indcons to join the "Military History" ping list)
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To: F14 Pilot

Concern is mounting that the US government is using antiterror laws - namely, the Patriot Act - to revive a now-discredited practice common during the cold war: the prevention of foreign intellectuals who are critical of administration policies from entering the country and sharing their views with Americans.

The practice, called ideological exclusion, became illegal in 1990. But a recent lawsuit - brought by the American Association of University Professors (AAUP), the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), and the PEN American Center under the Freedom of Information Act - is asking the Bush administration to explain its decisions to revoke or deny visas to several foreign scholars, and why they don't violate free-speech protections.

"This is about free speech, the purpose of colleges and universities," says Donna Euben, counsel for the AAUP in Washington. "We're not challenging the [USA Patriot Act] itself. We're just asking for information about its application to these particular scholars where there is no evidence that they have supported terrorism in any way."

In their suit, the groups cite the cases of several foreign scholars. One, Tariq Ramadan, is a prominent Swiss Muslim scholar who has condemned terrorism and routinely come to the United States on speaking tours in the past. In 2004, as he was preparing to take up a teaching post at the University of Notre Dame, his visa was revoked. The US government gave no formal reason, but press reports suggested the denial was based on "antiterrorism law." Another scholar, Dora Maria Tellez, is a former Nicaraguan government official who more than a decade ago was involved in the overthrow of the US-backed Somoza regime. She had been lined up to teach at Harvard University, but last January her visa was denied.

Administration officials aren't commenting on either case because the matter is now in the courts. But those who support the government's actions say it has a right and a duty to protect national security at a time of war. If it's concerned that a foreign national may promote ideas or activities that are antithetical to US interests, it has every right to deny that individual entry - and without an explanation.

The controversy is the latest illustration of the potential clash between commonly accepted civil rights and governmental efforts to protect national security. At the center of the debate about ideological exclusions is a little known provision of the Patriot Act, called Section 411. It allows the government to refuse admission to foreign nationals who, in the government's view, "have used [their] position of prominence within any country to endorse or espouse terrorist activity, or to persuade others to support terrorist activity or a terrorist organization in a way the Secretary of State has determined undermines United States efforts to reduce or eliminate terrorism."

Administration critics have no problem with the idea of excluding terrorists or people who espouse it. But they're concerned the government has now so broadly defined "terrorism" that even people who have openly condemned it but are critical of US policies are now being denied entry.

"We have a right to know about how our government is using various immigration laws to censure ideas that Americans have a right to hear," says Melissa Goodman of the ACLU's legal department in New York.

The US has a long history of denying foreigners entrance if their political views are at odds with the government's. It goes all the way back to Colonial times and the Alien Sedition Act of 1798. It was revived in 1952 at the height of the cold war.

"It was believed that we had to stop the importation of communism into the United States, and it was especially so in the early and mid 1950s when [Sen. Joseph] McCarthy was at his zenith in terms of power," says Kevin Johnson, a professor of law at the University of California at Davis.

That law was revoked in 1990 because "it became increasingly clear that it was inconsistent for a country that is one of the great democracies of the world to exclude people from coming here because of their political beliefs," he says.

But supporters of ideological exclusion see it as an important governmental tool. "We have always had a policy that allows us to keep out aliens who are at ideological odds with the US," says James Edwards of the Hudson Institute, a nonpartisan think tank in Washington. He was opposed to the 1990 revocation and believes that critics' claim of a First Amendment issue is misguided.

"That's the same argument that's apparently being revived by the usual suspects on the left to deride the use of ideological exclusions," he says.

Critics of the government's use of the Patriot Act disagree. "We're concerned about these provisions of the Patriot Act because they give such more or less unlimited and unmonitored powers in certain respects to federal agencies to act essentially without any check on their exercise of discretion here," says Michael Roberts, president of the PEN American Center in New York. "That's what's disturbing here."


5 posted on 11/22/2005 7:33:44 PM PST by indcons (FReepmail indcons to join the "Military History" ping list)
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To: F14 Pilot

I have no problem letting them in, if they have no problem being incarcerated and investigated for the duration of their stay.


6 posted on 11/22/2005 7:40:38 PM PST by thoughtomator (Hindsight is 20/20, or in the case of Democrats, totally blind)
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To: F14 Pilot

Unfortunately, barring the troublemaker-type "foreign scholar," as satisfying as it is, doesn't really do the job.
Those who come here to learn nuclear physics, or airplane flying (as opposed to landing and taking off) are not likely to get involved in ANYthing that would attract government attention, such as demonstrating, running around campuses spouting hatred.


7 posted on 11/22/2005 7:45:36 PM PST by Redbob
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To: F14 Pilot
From the thread about Tariq Ramadan August of '04:

"However, terrorism expert Yehudit Barsky of the American Jewish Committee charged that Ramadan has tried to bring legitimacy to Islamic militants.

"We really had hoped the university had exercised more caution in bringing him over here," she said in a recent interview."

The Israelis keep close tabs on @ssholes like "Ramadan" - if they don't like him, that's good enough for me.

8 posted on 11/22/2005 8:02:13 PM PST by Redbob
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More on Tariq Ramadan: http://www.danielpipes.org/article/2043

http://www.techcentralstation.com/091604B.html

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=14843

http://www.prospect.org/print/V15/3/smith-l.html

...from the last article suggested:

"· He has praised the brutal Islamist policies of the Sudanese politician Hassan Al-Turabi. Turabi in turn called Ramadan the “future of Islam.”

· Ramadan was banned from entering France in 1996 on suspicion of having links with an Algerian Islamist who had recently initiated a terrorist campaign in Paris.

· Ahmed Brahim, an Algerian indicted for Al-Qaeda activities, had “routine contacts” with Ramadan, according to a Spanish judge (Baltasar Garzón) in 1999.

· Djamel Beghal, leader of a group accused of planning to attack the U.S. embassy in Paris, stated in his 2001 trial that he had studied with Ramadan.

· Along with nearly all Islamists, Ramadan has denied that there is “any certain proof” that Bin Laden was behind 9/11.

· He publicly refers to the Islamist atrocities of 9/11, Bali, and Madrid as “interventions,” minimizing them to the point of near-endorsement.

And here are other reasons, dug up by Jean-Charles Brisard, a former French intelligence officer doing work for some of the 9/11 families, as reported in Le Parisien:

· Intelligence agencies suspect that Ramadan (along with his brother Hani) coordinated a meeting at the Hôtel Penta in Geneva for Ayman al-Zawahiri (deputy head of Al-Qaeda) and Omar Abdel Rahman (the blind sheikh, now in a Minnesota prison).

· Ramadan’s address appears in a register of Al Taqwa Bank, an organization the State Department accuses of supporting Islamist terrorism.

Then there is the intriguing possibility, reported by Olivier Guitta, that Osama bin Laden studied with Tariq’s father in Geneva, suggesting that the future terrorist and the future scholar might have known each other."

The guy's a bad idea incarnate.


9 posted on 11/22/2005 8:07:00 PM PST by combat_boots (Dug in and not budging an inch. NOT to be schiavoed, greered, or felosed as a patient)
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To: F14 Pilot
Why does the ACLU think the First Amendment applies to foreigners residing outside of the United States? From the article:

The US has a long history of denying foreigners entrance if their political views are at odds with the government's. It goes all the way back to Colonial times and the Alien Sedition Act of 1798. It was revived in 1952 at the height of the cold war.

"It was believed that we had to stop the importation of communism into the United States, and it was especially so in the early and mid 1950s when [Sen. Joseph] McCarthy was at his zenith in terms of power," says Kevin Johnson, a professor of law at the University of California at Davis.

That law was revoked in 1990 because "it became increasingly clear that it was inconsistent for a country that is one of the great democracies of the world to exclude people from coming here because of their political beliefs," he says.

So, we had a law on the books saying American-hating foreigners need not be admitted here around the time of the Founding. Presumably, no court found it unconstitutional. It was on the books for nearly 200 years. McCarthy used the law in the 1950s. Presumably, no court found it was unconstitutional. The law was repealed by Congress in the 1990s. That doesn't make it unconstitutional - just a decision by Congress to do so, and the First Amendment hasn't changed since then. If it wasn't a violation of the First Amendment in 1798, wasn't a violation in the 1950s, and wasn't a violation in 1990, why does it violate the First Amendment today? And if we had a similar law for nearly 200 years, it's even difficult to say it's against American values to have it.
10 posted on 11/22/2005 8:24:38 PM PST by conservative in nyc
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