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To: truthfinder9

Both sides of this debate are right in my view ... right in pointing out how bogus some proponents on the other side are.

Being fond of tin foil, the only explanation I've heard that made sense to me about this controversy is that ID is a plot by some smart alecks on the left to sucker some traditional Christians on the right into an indefensible position.

Dang ... getting low on Reynolds Wrap again. Gotta go now, off to the store.

25 posted on 11/22/2005 9:02:02 PM PST by ThePythonicCow (To err is human; to moo is bovine.)
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To: ThePythonicCow

Both sides also have some that find the extreme in the other position and categorize ALL others holding a similar position in the same mold. You'd think there was no middle ground.


29 posted on 11/22/2005 9:22:52 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: ThePythonicCow
When I read the An Introduction to Intelligent Design -- A short discussion of the meaning of Intelligent Design By Steve Renner, it reminds me of an old explanation I once read on why bumblebees can't fly. Such explanations only highlight what they don't understand, rather than demonstrate that something can't be.

The essential point it makes is that the organized complexity we find in life's forms is almost certainly not due to simple random permutions and consequence selection.

From that I do not conclude that there is a God. I only conclude that we don't yet understand very well how these layers of complexity evolved.

Granted, I'm a god damned atheist, so I didn't expect to find a God, nor do I expect anyone reading this on FR will agree with me, or even understand me. Such is life.

When I visit some small out of the way gift shop that has been carefully put together over decades, by the same person as who now sits behind the counter, greeting my entrance, with a ready story for each piece in his store, I find a place that was very much created by a single being.

When I visit downtown Manhattan, with its unfathomably rich structure in so many ways, from the small details on the Rolex watches to the pipe fittings to the street layout to the workers, cabbies and cops, to the grand skyscrapers and finance centers, I do not find a place created by a single being. Literally millions of people, some far away and long ago, have had a hand in what is now a wonderfully complex place.

Life and the Universe, like Manhattan, is teaming with rich complexity and layered dependencies. We are still understanding the rules and metarules by which it is ordered and changes and grows.

30 posted on 11/22/2005 9:29:03 PM PST by ThePythonicCow (To err is human; to moo is bovine.)
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