Posted on 11/23/2005 4:05:59 PM PST by craig_eddy
Well, the Ten Commandments are "problematic" in that not everyone counts them the same way--most Protestants, Orhodox Christians, and Jews count them one way, while Catholics and Lutherans count them a different way. They could combine the two systems and have 11 commandments, but still call them the Ten Commandments, just like there are 11 teams in the Big Ten conference. Of course Reagan's 11th commandment would have to be renumbered.
battle? what battle? if you stay in the Church, you follow Vatican teachings; otherwise you leave, it's really simple .. a battle is something that can be won.
How do you explain the large number of celibate homosexuals who are functioning well as priests today?
Who says they are functioning well? I'll bet dollars to donuts that the homosexual priests are the same ones - the progressives - who are undermining traditional Church teaching across the whole spectrum of Catholic dogma.
Well, just think of what fun it will be to hear all the liberal Catholics and Protestants patiently explaining to God that He can't send them to Hell because it's only a metaphor and not a real place.
Do you have examples?
The Catholic Church has long taught that homosexuality is inherently disordered behavior, so a "celibate homosexual" for all intents and purposes is no more capable of serving as a Catholic priest as a "well-behaved axe-murderer."
Ping.
They seem not to have notice the many Catholic who became evangelicals because they could not stomach the liberalism of their priests.
The Gospel last Sunday clearly indicated that it will be those who don't take care of "the least" who will be longing for air conditioning.
Isn't social justice a major tenet of this "liberalism" to which you are referring?
Perhaps it's best to end the speculation of who will end up in hell and pray, as John Paul II did, that no one goes there.
I'm probably not nearly as knowledgable on this subject as you are, so I'm willing to put up one thousand dollars on this if you give me ten to one odds that you are wrong. After all, you clearly are so much smarter than I am concerning this but I'm still willing to put up my dumb dollars.
But they are. Figures on the number of homosexuals in the priesthood range from 10% to 50%.
If Catholics are benefitting from the ministry of celibate homosexuals--and they clearly are--it's simply not true that they cannot function as Catholic priests.
The Vatican document recognizes that fact.
No, they aren't. Catholics may be "benefitting" in the sense that they are receiving the sacraments through these priests, but a fundamentally disordered person is not capable of providing Catholics with the one thing they need most -- and that is the Truth (note the capital T in truth).
There are likely two reasons:
First, it was common for the Communists, when attempting to discredit or marginalize someone, to first accuse them of being a homosexual. They did this as a matter of course to Catholic clergy behind the Iron Curtain. Karol Woytyla was likely influenced by this tactic, and was repelled when it was made against priests under His Papacy.
Second, he granted local bishops a lot of leeway in dealing with sensitive local issues. JPII figured clerical pederasty was confined to one country, and it was up to that country to deal with it.
What is "the Truth" to which you are referring?
You appear to be committing the heresy which says that God's grace depends on the disposition of the minister.
It just occurred to me that it's kind of neat that Pope Bennie isn't even here. They're just a bunch of people, way across the ocean, in that wacky place that thinks too highly of itself called America.
"the Church would lose thousands"
I really, really doubt it.
There is an organization that they mostly belong to called the American Catholic Church that is full of rainbow flamers. Beware if you see an article that says something like "77% of American Catholics favor Female Ordination." They're talking about this schismatic cult or whatever. Google American Catholic Church and you'll see what I mean.
Homosexuality or same sex attraction, if you will, is a disordered condition. I suppose your argument can be made, but the document that was just published states that a man that is more attracted to men than to women cannot have normal relationships with either men OR women. Or so I read, I haven't read the bull yet.
I read a theory here that in the Soviet occupation days he saw many people denounced with smears and accusations of homosexuality and he refused to entertain notions that it was rampant.
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