Soviet military maps of Britain

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[aug645]

Thanks. Most appreciated. (Peace, friendship, chewing gum....)
Chewing,as in Soviet-era Western-style department store. GUM)
:-)

[aug645]

Indeed! LOL! BTW:Who is Count Petofi?

[advance_copy]

Gorbachev didn't start Bolshevism.

Nor did he end it. The 'zastoy' you mentioned, the one at the root of perestroika, thank (or curse, as the case may be) Ronald Reagan. That zastoy lead to Gorbachev's "reforms" is also Reagan's doing. The 1991 coup, which ended the Soviet Union? Also Reagan (with GHWB carrying the ball inside the 20 yard line).

I'd explain how all of it worked, but FR has this principle called "loose lips". We might need to do it again somewhere else some day.

Bottom line: Thank God for Ronald Reagan.

[mym]

==That zastoy lead to Gorbachev's "reforms" is also Reagan's doing.==

Is Brezhnev's marasmus also Reagan's doing?

==I'd explain how all of it worked, but FR has this principle called "loose lips". We might need to do it again somewhere else some day.==

It's time. Cuba, Iran, North Korea, China...

[advance_copy]

Is Brezhnev's marasmus also Reagan's doing?

No, but undoing of Carter's malaise was Reagan's doing. You see, it could have gone either way. One who knows how to make morning in America out of malaise, also knows how zastoy might emerge from marasmus.

RE: "It's time." Motion is inevitable, yet patience is a virtue.

[RichardW]

I come down in the middle of this argument. I admired Reagan, voting for him twice and he had a backbone which made a huge difference. I also am very glad that Gorbachov came to power and put in place policies that ultimately led to the break-up of the Soviet Union. The system was rotten to the core and one can only wonder what Russia today would be like if Lenin had not been sent to Russia during WWI by the Germans who wanted to destabalize Russia and take her out of the war. This would be the ultimate law of unintended consequences.

[mad_as_he$$]

Yikes dude, where were you? I smell toast on the line.

[GodBlessRonaldReagan]

A character on the old Gothic soap Dark Shadows. Yeah, I'm a hopeless fanboy geek!

[Da_Shrimp]

These are of astonishing accuracy and contain an amazing level of detail, especially considering they were compiled under great secrecy during the Cold War.

Hmmm, perhaps. But the fact is that a Russian tourist could quite easily buy a map of, say, Bournemouth when on holiday there.

Accurate, detailed maps of any town in the UK are easily and freely available to anyone who wants one. These could easily form the basis for any of the maps shown on the site.

[dfwgator]

Reagan did almost nothing. Collapse of Bolshevism is mainly Gorby's achievement.

Gorby disagrees with you. He credits Reagan.

[Mr. Lucky]

Apparently vadka remains popular as a winter beverage even after the collapse of communism..

[elbucko]

Reagan did almost nothing.

You world class moron! One of the major areas that Reagan went after the USSR was in the worlds gold markets. The only medium, besides oil and arms, that the USSR could use for foreign exchange was gold , as the Ruble was incontrovertible. The Reagan administration financed and encouraged increased gold production from Canada (remember Maple Leafs?) and South Africa (Kruegerands) in a successful effort to drive DOWN the price of gold on the international market. Have you ever wondered why, during the 1980's, so many universities were selling off their stocks in South African companies? It was because the Soviets were trying to hit back a Reagan's use of SA gold to grind down the Soviet economy. The "Moral issue" of universities owning SA stocks had NOTHING to do with apartheid and everything to do with the devaluation of Russian gold. Ronald Reagan slowly strangled the Soviet Union during the eight years he was president.

Why don't you shove a brain in your head before you open your mouth!

[smonk]

---Reagan did almost nothing. Collapse of Bolshevism is mainly Gorby's achievement. And Brezhnev's marasmus's.---

I work with someone from the ukraine, and this sort of thinking isn't uncommon. last year, he ran across an article claiming that reagan won the cold war, caused the fall of the berlin wall, & etc., and thought it was propaganda.

I explained the view of the american conservatives, but he didn't look very convinced.

[GunnyHartman]

"Reagan did almost nothing"

Are you a Pravda correspondent? Sounds like more sour grapes Russian revisionist history to me.

[NZerFromHK]

I can say that in much of the West outside America, unless you are a hardcore supporter of America or you are an ultraconservative but not ultra enough so as to be an anti-American right-winger, you would not believe Reagan have anything to do with the fall of the Soviet Union.

As I explained on this board after Reagan's death last year, in the non-US West generally the left or centrists believe it is Gorbachev as per the standard narrative, and the conservatives generally believe it was Richard Nixon and Henry Kissinger's geopolitical detente which laid the stone for the fall of the Soviet Union.

But I know even a lot of American liberals have to grudgingly admit Reagan played a part in the Soviet Union's collapse. And you see the Clintons at least paid lip service praises to Reagan when Bubba was in the White House. This is unimaginable for the Left in Western Europe or New Zealand or Canada.

[Centurion2000]

Reagan did almost nothing. Collapse of Bolshevism is mainly Gorby's achievement.

Now we at least know to ignore your more serious postings. Reagan and the Star Wars program had EVERYTHING to do with collapsing the Soviet Union.

[mym]

==You world class moron!==

Oh, thank you. Your world class manners of dispute are very convincing.

==One of the major areas that Reagan went after the USSR was in the worlds gold markets.==

This is not a secret. Gold, oil, arms race etc.
However the main changes were in people brains.

==Ronald Reagan slowly strangled the Soviet Union during the eight years he was president.==

Well, I'm not right saying "Reagan did almost nothing". Reagan did much but he was not a key. Gorbachev was a key. He did what people were ready for.

[Moonman62]

I loved Reagan's Cold War strategy: We win, they lose. LOL!

[Moonman62]

But by 1980 people tired, many were disappointed. So called 'zastoy' (stagnation)

We had the same thing in America. It was called Jimmy Carter.

[mym]

==I explained the view of the american conservatives, but he didn't look very convinced.==

Yeah, this is insiders' point of view. Just like key points of WW2 are Stalingrad and Kursk battle for Russians and Pearl-Harbor for Americans.

PS Stalingrad and Kursk battle were definitely key points of WW2 :))