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Memo to Murtha
Scripps Howard News Service ^ | 24 Nov 05 | Clifford D. May

Posted on 11/24/2005 8:40:02 AM PST by Cap Huff

Before I say anything else, Congressman Murtha, let me thank you -- for your long public service in Washington and, before that, in Vietnam.

And let me commend you, too, for sparking an honest debate. Until now, what has passed for debate on Iraq has been mostly slander – for example, calling President Bush a liar and questioning his patriotism. Yes, questioning his patriotism: because anyone who would lie to get America into a war for reasons unrelated to national security would not be a patriot. He'd be a traitor. I ask you, sir: Has such a vicious charge ever before been leveled at an American president in a time of war – or even a time of peace?

But you have not taken this low road. Instead, you have said you believe the war in Iraq “cannot be won” and that “it's time to bring the troops home.” This is a discussion worth having.

You also say that “80 per cent of Iraqis want us out.” I'm not sure where you got that figure but it's probably low. I'd guess that close to 100 percent of Iraqis – as well as 100% of Americans – would love to see U.S. troops heading home for the holidays. But some of us think it matters whether we leave Iraq after we've defeated our enemies – or whether we leave Iraq after having surrendered to our enemies.

When you suggest that planning for the war in Iraq was flawed, I think you have a point. American leaders, in the Pentagon and elsewhere, crafted an effective strategy for toppling Saddam Hussein. Once that mission was accomplished, however, they had only a vague idea about how to transform Iraq into a free, independent and self-reliant nation within a short period of time. Maybe that's because no one had ever attempted such a feat before.

Clearly, we should not fail again to plan adequately. So I would ask you about your plans for the aftermath of the defeat you say we must now accept.

For example, it's obvious that if the U.S. military can't stand up to al-Qaeda in Iraq, the fledgling post-liberation Iraqi military won't have a prayer. That means we must plan for the possibility that al-Qaeda will come to power in part or all of Iraq. What, if anything would you propose to do in response to that?

Even if al-Qaeda only manages to shore up its positions in the Sunni areas of western Iraq, we must expect it will use that base to continue attacking Jordan and other countries in the region. Maybe we'd send advisors to help the Jordanian king? But help him do what exactly? Decide when the fight has become hopeless?

Also possible: The “Party of Return,” Baathists loyal to Saddam Hussein, could take over (maybe in some kind of de-facto coalition with al-Qaeda). They might even release Saddam from the jail where he has been awaiting trial (odd, isn't it, how trials, like wars, aren't as speedy as they used to be?) and restore him to power. What would we do in that case – ask the U.N. to re-start sanctions and the Oil-for-Food program?

The Shia of Iraq would turn to Iran's mullahs for protection against both al-Qaeda and the Baathists. To whom else could they turn? If what followed was an Iranian anschluss – annexation – of southern Iraq, will you have a plan to deal with that contingency?

Iraqis who “collaborated” with us would undoubtedly face execution – perhaps tens of thousands of would be killed for revenge or just to send a message. I guess Congress could offer a resolution condemning such behavior. Thousands, perhaps millions of Iraqis would no doubt flee the country. Should the U.S. accept them as refugees? Or turn them away?

In many other countries where al-Qaeda has been applying pressure -- Bangladesh, Indonesia and Thailand to name just a few – three things would now be clear: (1) It is dangerous to be allied with the U.S.; (2) it is futile to resist al-Qaeda; and (3) bin Laden and Saddam were correct in predicting that if you bloody Americans, they will always turn tail and run.

As evidence they'd cite not only Iraq but Mogadishu and Beirut and, of course, Vietnam, where you served honorably. In truth, after that defeat – while millions of Southeast Asians suffered and died – Americans got on with their lives and we even went on to win the Cold War. Is that the idea, Congressman? To cross our fingers and hope that our defeat in Iraq will follow the Vietnam pattern? Because if so, I have to say candidly, sir, that isn't much of a plan.

Clifford D. May, a former New York Times foreign correspondent, is the president of the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies a policy institute focusing on terrorism.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 109th; gwot; iraq; murtha; murthaisacrook
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1 posted on 11/24/2005 8:40:03 AM PST by Cap Huff
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To: Cap Huff

I'd love to see him debate Murtha and hear Murtha's answers (not spin, answers).


2 posted on 11/24/2005 8:45:57 AM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Cap Huff
Clifford D. May, a former New York Times foreign correspondent, is the president of the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies a policy institute focusing on terrorism.

You can readily see why "former" is the operative word in this sentence.

3 posted on 11/24/2005 8:46:28 AM PST by stevem
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To: Cap Huff

"Clearly, we should not fail again to plan adequately. So I would ask you about your plans for the aftermath of the defeat you say we must now accept."


That is the key question - and the one that people people who want a withdrawal now cannot answer effectively.

What do you do while the media shows day after day of the Iraqis who were on our side being slaughtered in the streets? What do you do while AL Quaida no longer tied down in one place spreads throughout the world in force and beings chaos?

And what do you do when nobody believes in American resolve? The world already doesn't like us and doesn't like what we've done in Iraq - will it be better when we fail?

Hell no.


4 posted on 11/24/2005 8:46:53 AM PST by gondramB
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To: Cap Huff

After these past few years I'm cynical enough to believe Murtha did this because the scandal involving his brother's lobbying firm is about to break on him. So as to make himself the darling of the leftist/MSM establishment and claim political martyrdom if indicted.

Re: former Illinois governor George Ryan's embrace of anti-death penalty activism just as his driver's-licences-for-dollars scandal was building.


5 posted on 11/24/2005 8:48:32 AM PST by sinanju
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To: sinanju
---exactly-

-I eagerly await the MSM probe into the Murtha brothers' financial affairs -especially as it ties into federal expenditures in Ms. Pelosi's congressional district--

6 posted on 11/24/2005 8:56:12 AM PST by rellimpank (Don't believe anything about firearms or explosives stated by the mass media:NRABenefactor)
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To: sinanju
After these past few years I'm cynical enough to believe Murtha did this because the scandal involving his brother's lobbying firm is about to break on him. So as to make himself the darling of the leftist/MSM establishment and claim political martyrdom if indicted.

Re: former Illinois governor George Ryan's embrace of anti-death penalty activism just as his driver's-licences-for-dollars scandal was building.

re: Bill Clinton's bombing of Iraq around the time of Monica Lewinsky and Impeachment...

7 posted on 11/24/2005 8:58:29 AM PST by Christian4Bush ("Cowards cut and run: Marines never do." And I do NOT wish to revise or extend my remarks.)
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To: Cap Huff
Good article by Mr. May. But I take issue with these statements:

...Once that mission was accomplished, however, they had only a vague idea about how to transform Iraq into a free, independent and self-reliant nation within a short period of time. Maybe that's because no one had ever attempted such a feat before...

The Executive branch through DOD had a very good idea of how to transform Iraq into a free, independent, self-reliant nation. And it is doing so. Further, it did so with both Germany and Japan following WWII. This is not new stuff.

What is new since WWII's end is the constant meddling by the State Department. Secretary Rice is bringing this under control. Additionally, though not new, Congressional (especially Democrat congressmen) and media interference has slowed Iraq's progress to being a free sovereign state.

Mr. May has rightly called Representative Murtha on the carpet for he and his fellow Democrats lack of any plan. But he is incorrect in maintaining the Administration did not have an effective post-war plan for Iraq's revitalization as a free nation. That is another media myth.

8 posted on 11/24/2005 8:58:54 AM PST by DakotaGator
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To: sinanju

More info please re: "the scandal involving his [Murtha's] brother's lobbying firm. . . ."

Taht is a new twist I have yet to encounter.


9 posted on 11/24/2005 9:04:43 AM PST by Taxman (So that the beautiful pressure does not diminish!)
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To: Cap Huff
Somalia. Iraq. All the same to Murtha.
10 posted on 11/24/2005 9:06:38 AM PST by Thom Pain (Supporting the Constitution is NOT right wing. It is centrist.)
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To: DakotaGator

I believe they have brought together an effective plan, many elements of which were considered early on. However, the going has generally been rather rough. I think May's point is that what has taken place is virtually unprecedented, quickly establishing a democratic form of government in the Middle East, in a country that had never experience representative government and had suffered the ravages of brutal authoritarianism.

My guess is that May is using a rhetorical strategy here, that of conceeding an irrelevant point (what mistakes may or may not have taken place in the past) in order to focus on what needs to take place in the future. I would imagine that he could make a pretty good case that the construction of a new Iraq thus far has actually been a pretty good effort.


11 posted on 11/24/2005 9:13:57 AM PST by Cap Huff
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To: Cap Huff

My Memo to Mr.Murtha.: Remember back when you were just an
American,and a Marine, and then a Democrat.?

Try to get back to that .


12 posted on 11/24/2005 9:18:49 AM PST by Pompah
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To: Taxman; Cap Huff; stevem; gondramB; Christian4Bush; DakotaGator; Thom Pain; Pompah

FROM: http://www.anklebitingpundits.com/index.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=26389

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"MURTHAGATE" - the loud tear-filled call for immediate withdrawal was a smokescreen
A commenter on this blog - "Noble" - suggested that perhaps (1) Murtha's sudden BIG LOUD TEAR-FILLED call for "immediate withdrawal from Iraq," (an OLD position for him, but one that he had NEVER tried to BROADCAST AS LOUDLY OR AS WIDELY BEFORE), AND (2) the sudden "play" it got from the House Democrats - led by Nancy Pelosi the Minority Leader - was a smokescreen intended to BOTH misdirect attention from impending ethics investigations over them both using influence to steer DOD business to their relatives and business friends.

Specifically it seems that Murtha steered business to HIS BROTHER'S LOBBYING FIRM - KSA - and helped Pelosi get a big project for her district which DIRECTLY BENEFITTED A RELATIVE OF HERS.

KJ Lopez of NRO's THE CORNER linked to a JUNE 13, 2005 LA TIMES article about just such an impending investigation: LATIMES (this link is to an anti-Bush blog which excerpted the article; the actual article has"mysteriously" disappeared from the LATIMEs own website) -
LATIMES: "When Congress passed the $417-billion Pentagon spending bill last ear, Rep. John P. Murtha, the top Democrat on the House defense appropriations subcommittee, boasted about the money he secured to create jobs in his Pennsylvania district.

But the bill Murtha helped write also benefited at least 10 companies represented by a lobbying firm where his brother, Robert "Kit" Murtha, is a senior partner, according to disclosure records, interviews and an analysis of the bill by The Times."
ROLL CALL put it this way:
Republican lawmakers say that ties between Rep. John Murtha (D-Pa.) and his brother's lobbying firm, KSA Consulting, may warrant investigation by the House ethics committee...

According to a June 13 article in The Los Angeles Times, the fiscal 2005 defense appropriations bill included more than $20 million in funding for at least 10 companies for whom KSA lobbied. Carmen Scialabba, a longtime Murtha aide, works at KSA as well. KSA directly lobbied Murtha's office on behalf of seven companies, and a Murtha aide told a defense contractor that it should retain KSA to represent it, according to the LA Times.

In early 2004, Murtha reportedly leaned on U.S. Navy officials to sign a contract to transfer the Hunters Point Shipyard to the city of San Francisco, according to the San Francisco Chronicle. A company called Lennar Inc. had right to the land, and Laurence Pelosi, nephew to House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), was an executive with the firm at that time.

Murtha also inserted earmarks in defense bills that steered millions of dollars in federal research funds toward companies owned by children of fellow Pennsylvania Rep. Paul Kanjorski (D).
Murtha also flexed his muscles with the DOD to get his boss, Pelosi a big DOD deal for her district:

The agreement came a few weeks after the Navy sent Newsom a letter saying that it was having doubts about going ahead with an agreement that was announced with great fanfare in Washington in January 2002 by Rep. Nancy Pelosi, D-San Francisco, then-Mayor Willie Brown and Navy Secretary Gordon England.

When he was in Washington last Wednesday, Newsom met in the Capitol offices of Pelosi, the House minority leader, with Pelosi, Navy Assistant Secretary Hansford T. Johnson, representatives of California Democratic Sens. Barbara Boxer and Dianne Feinstein, and Rep. John Murtha, D-Pa., a big gun brought in by Pelosi to convince the Navy the time for delays had passed.

Murtha, the powerful ranking Democrat on the House military appropriations subcommittee, made it clear to the Navy that he wanted a binding agreement signed by Wednesday. Another meeting was held in Pelosi's offices Wednesday, minus Newsom, and the Navy signed the accord.
According to THE HILL Murtha is ther number one Democrat money grubber in the Congress from the defense industry:
For the past three years, Rep. John Murtha (D-Pa.), the ranking member of the Defense Appropriations Subcommittee, has been the No. 1 beneficiary of defense campaign donations in the House and has not fallen below No. 3 for Congress as a whole.

In fact, for just the 2006 cycle, Murtha ranks No. 1 overall, with $188,350 in donations from the defense industry. House Armed Services Committee Chairman Duncan Hunter (R-Calif.) follows with $118,350. In 2004, Murtha ranked behind only President Bush and his Democratic opponent, Sen. John Kerry, in overall defense-industry contributions, with $284,750.

During the 2002 election cycle, when Murtha was forced to campaign for his seat because of state redistricting that pitted him against a fellow congressman in the primary, he again scored No. 1 in all Congress, pulling in $309,299 in political donations from defense companies.

In 2000, Murtha slipped behind Hunter, who at that point was running for Armed Services chairman. “Murtha walks on water. If you want anything done on the committee, you go to Murtha. Murtha is the reason why the [defense appropriations] bill gets done each year,” said Ashdown about the veteran Congressman known to be a dealmaker who frequently reaches across the aisle.

But Murtha also has raised some watchdogs’ concerns because his brother Robert “Kit” Murtha runs KSA Consulting, a lobbying group that represents some 10 smaller defense companies. In 2004, Murtha’s brother was able to secure $20 million in the defense-spending bill for his clients. Kit Murtha repeatedly has denied working directly with his brother’s office.

I suspect that the tear-filled PR move Murtha made last week was intended to divert attention. My commenter "Noble" put it this way:

I am wondering IF he has Proposed this controversial CUT AND RUN proposal as a smoke screen, so he can come back and tell the public that the Bush White House is investigating him because they are trying to punish him..."

YES NOBLE, I THINK SO.


# posted by reliapundit : 1:11 PM
[okay,the American Thinker.com directed me to the Astute blogger.com site for this huge news.off the top of my head,the liberal media of course will never report this,and I even have my doubts about fox.the democraps will scream a deliberate smear.BUT,they no longer control the media and if this is true-it surely will come out and be absolutely corroberated!jco]


13 posted on 11/24/2005 9:24:49 AM PST by sinanju
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To: Cap Huff

The way I see it, it's like that old saying. Too many cooks in the kitchen spoil the meal. And that's what the demoRats and the media have done.

Especially now with Murtha and their new game plan of saying we lost time to pull out crap. And as far as I'm concerned, now that they started playing that dirty little game, they own it. They spoiled the meal, so to speak and are responsible for each and every new American casualty. Because their cut and run attitude brought it on and emboldened the terrorists.


14 posted on 11/24/2005 9:33:25 AM PST by GloriaJane (http://music.download.com/gloriajane "Merry Christmas To Our Troops In Iraq (My Hero's)")
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To: Cap Huff

May seems to not take it far enough......I pilfered this paragraph from another vebue....

"The "War on Terror" is a politically correct misnomer for a counteroffensive response to Islams revitalization of its centuries-old war on the West and Civilization. You have not, cannot, and will not, ever, make a reasonable argument this......instead you will forever pretend that the current activities in Iraq is a "war" for or against Iraq. In the overall "WOT" effort, "Iraq" is just a bit part of it."

Here's a little refresher course to help you accept islams intent:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/war/wwone/middle_east_01.shtml


15 posted on 11/24/2005 9:55:05 AM PST by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: Darth Reagan

ping


16 posted on 11/24/2005 10:06:40 AM PST by marblehead17 (I love it when a plan comes together.)
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To: sinanju

Thanks for the explanation -- first I have heard of it.

I am so tired of dirty politicians! A pox on their houses!


17 posted on 11/24/2005 2:04:27 PM PST by Taxman (So that the beautiful pressure does not diminish!)
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To: Cap Huff
My guess is that May is using a rhetorical strategy here, that of conceeding an irrelevant point (what mistakes may or may not have taken place in the past) in order to focus on what needs to take place in the future.

Good point. I enjoyed and substantially agreed with May's article. But with the liberal/democrat traitors I contend that we should call them on every lie every time. Otherwise they weave their propaganda into our history.

Of course, I'm not Mr. May ;-)

18 posted on 11/24/2005 3:02:38 PM PST by DakotaGator
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To: sinanju
"MURTHAGATE" - the loud tear-filled call for immediate withdrawal was a smokescreen...

I think this is highly likely. And I believe the key to dealing with this is to address the smokescreen and the smudge-pot separately. Dissipate the smokescreen with the fresh air of truth. And destroy the smudge-pot with a thorough ethics investigation!

19 posted on 11/24/2005 3:09:23 PM PST by DakotaGator
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To: DakotaGator

I too think we need a much more confrontational style and I think a lot of conservatives agreed.

Not scientific, but note Hugh Hewitt's Thanksgiving straw poll and the question of the Senate majority:

http://www.hughhewitt.com/november05results.php


20 posted on 11/24/2005 10:15:02 PM PST by Cap Huff
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