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The bitter truth, as we feast on the bounty of the empire (Robert Jensen bile alert)
Houston Chronicle ^ | Nov. 22, 2005, 10:28PM | By ROBERT JENSEN

Posted on 11/24/2005 9:15:16 PM PST by weegee

The bitter truth, as we feast on the bounty of the empire -Our myth of Thanksgiving warps a history of genocide

ONE indication of moral and intellectual progress in the United States would be the replacement of Thanksgiving Day with a National Day of Atonement.

Indigenous people have offered such a model; since 1970 they have marked the fourth Thursday of November as a Day of Mourning in a spiritual/political ceremony on Coles Hill overlooking Plymouth Rock, one of the early sites of the European invasion of the Americas. But the thought of changing this white-supremacist holiday is hard to imagine, which speaks volumes about our historical hypocrisy and its relation to the contemporary politics of empire.

It's not news that all the world's great powers achieved "greatness" through brutality on a grand scale. That those same societies are hesitant to highlight this barbarism also is predictable.

In the United States, this reluctance to acknowledge our original sin — the genocide of indigenous people — is of special importance today. It's now routine — even among conservative commentators — to describe the United States as an empire, so long as everyone understands we are an inherently benevolent one. Because history contradicts that claim, history must be twisted and tortured.

One vehicle for taming history is patriotic holidays, with Thanksgiving at the heart of U.S. myth-building. We hear a story about the hearty Pilgrims, whose search for freedom took them from England to Massachusetts. There, aided by the friendly Wampanoag Indians, they survived in a harsh environment, leading to a harvest feast in 1621 after the Pilgrims' first winter.

Some aspects of the conventional story are true enough. But it's also true that by 1637 Massachusetts Gov. John Winthrop was proclaiming a thanksgiving for the successful massacre of hundreds of Pequot Indian men, women and children, part of the long and bloody process of opening land for the English invaders. The pattern would repeat itself across the continent until between 95 percent and 99 percent of American Indians had been exterminated.

Simply put:

Thanksgiving is the day when the dominant white culture celebrates the beginning of a genocide that was blessed by those we hold up as our heroic Founding Fathers.

In 1783 George Washington said he preferred buying Indians' land rather than driving them off it because that was like driving "wild beasts" from the forest. He compared Indians to wolves, "both being beasts of prey, tho' they differ in shape." Thomas Jefferson — president No. 3 and author of the Declaration of Independence, which refers to Indians as the "merciless Indian Savages" — was known to romanticize Indians and their culture, but that didn't stop him in 1807 from writing to his secretary of war that in a coming conflict with certain tribes, "[W]e shall destroy all of them."

As the genocide was winding down in the early 20th century, Theodore Roosevelt (president No. 26) defended whites' expansion across the continent as an inevitable process "due solely to the power of the mighty civilized races which have not lost the fighting instinct, and which by their expansion are gradually bringing peace into the red wastes where the barbarian peoples of the world hold sway."

How does a country deal with the fact that some of its most revered historical figures held these views? Here's how "respectable" politicians, pundits and professors play the game:

When invoking a grand and glorious aspect of our past, then history is all-important. We are told how crucial it is for people to know history, and there is much hand-wringing about the younger generations' lack of knowledge about, and respect for, that history. But when one brings up facts and interpretations that contest the celebratory story and make people uncomfortable, suddenly the value of history drops precipitously and one is asked, "Why do you insist on dwelling on the past?"

This off-and-on engagement with history isn't of mere academic interest; as the dominant world power of the moment, U.S. elites have a clear stake in the contemporary propaganda value of that history. Obscuring bitter truths about historical crimes helps perpetuate the fantasy of U.S. benevolence, making it easier to sell contemporary imperial adventures — such as the invasion and occupation of Iraq — as another benevolent action.

History can be one of the many ways we create and impose hierarchy, or it can be part of a process of liberation. The truth won't set us free, but the telling of truth at least opens the possibility of freedom.

As Americans sit down on Thanksgiving Day to gorge themselves on the bounty of empire, many will worry about the expansive effects of overeating on their waistlines. We would be better to think about the constricting effects on the day's mythology on our minds.

Jensen is a journalism professor at the University of Texas at Austin and author of "The Heart of Whiteness: Race, Racism, and White Privilege and Citizens of the Empire: The Struggle to Claim Our Humanity." He can be reached at rjensen@uts.cc.utexas.edu.


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HAPPY THANKSGIVING everybody.

And here is some rebuttal:

http://lonestartimes.com/2005/11/23/cranberry-sauce-is-blood-of-innocents/

Can we expect an anti-Christian screed on Christmas Eve from the Houston Commiecal?

1 posted on 11/24/2005 9:15:18 PM PST by weegee
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To: weegee

"Indigenous people "

My family is Indigenous to this planet too, and since we are all related, what is the point of this article?


2 posted on 11/24/2005 9:21:22 PM PST by seastay
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To: weegee
Jensen is a journalism professor

Hell, if that'd been at the beginning of the article it would have saved me a lot of reading.

May I take this opportunity to wish Herr Professor Jensen a Happy Thanksgiving! We imperialists will continue to allow you to enjoy the bounty and blessings of our empire even though you don't deserve it.

4 posted on 11/24/2005 9:22:52 PM PST by clintonh8r (I hope I'm at home when the GOP Senate Campaign Committee calls for some money.)
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To: weegee

Thanksgiving is a white supremacist holiday?????

"He can be reached at rjensen@uts.cc.utexas.edu." After reading this junk I beg to differ, I don't think one can "reach" this guy at all.


5 posted on 11/24/2005 9:23:18 PM PST by Theresawithanh (You'll get me to stop posting on FR when you wrench my laptop from my cold, dead fingers!)
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To: weegee
"But when one brings up facts and interpretations that contest the celebratory story and make people uncomfortable, suddenly the value of history drops precipitously and one is asked, "Why do you insist on dwelling on the past?" "

STFU is fine.

6 posted on 11/24/2005 9:23:55 PM PST by endthematrix (Those who despise freedom and progress have condemned themselves to isolation, decline, and collapse)
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To: weegee

Liberals....guilty, self-loathing, angry and miserable.


7 posted on 11/24/2005 9:24:34 PM PST by clintonh8r (I hope I'm at home when the GOP Senate Campaign Committee calls for some money.)
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To: weegee
LOL!!! I'm looking across the street and the Mexicans, Central Americans, African Americans, Asian Americans, Middle Eastern Americans are so happy and stuffed they can't even walk....The Kids of these people were eating, playing and having a very good time. People said hello, danced and drank a little. Jensen....stop worrying so much and enjoy life. Go tell these people how evil they are....OK?
8 posted on 11/24/2005 9:25:58 PM PST by Dallas59 (“You love life, while we love death.” - Al-Qaeda / Democratic Party)
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To: weegee

This extremist viewpoint eventually leads to canceling itself out. Since whiteys are bad because they "slaughtered with mass genocide the Native Americans", we cannot celebrate Thanksgiving anymore.

But wait! Native American tribes also slaughtered each other, sometimes wiping out an entire opposing tribe and taking their land. So therefore, Native Americans as a whole must be demonized (as whites are), and N. A. holidays must also become illegal and uncelebrated. At some point, we come to the realization that EVERY group of people has done something bad in the past, and ALL of them must have their traditions stripped away as a result. Then...we have nothing.

Political correctness is a road that leads to nowhere.


9 posted on 11/24/2005 9:26:07 PM PST by pcottraux (It's pronounced "P. Coe-troe.")
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To: weegee
Cranberry Sauce is the Blood of the Innocents.

Poor cranberries.
10 posted on 11/24/2005 9:27:57 PM PST by pcottraux (It's pronounced "P. Coe-troe.")
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To: seastay
They are indigenous - to Siberia.
11 posted on 11/24/2005 9:28:22 PM PST by hometoroost (TSA = Thousands Standing Around)
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To: weegee

This is the guy that said on 9-12-2001 on KGO (S.F.) radio that we should not seek any retribution..I was sick when I heard him.


12 posted on 11/24/2005 9:28:32 PM PST by steelie (Still Right Thinking)
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To: weegee

There was a time, not so long ago, when a pathogen like this creature wouldn't have been allowed to breath this kind of feces in a skid row bar. That he teaches young people says even worse things. This piece of filth sickens me and the editors of the rag that printed his drivel, today on Thanksgiving, are less than human.


13 posted on 11/24/2005 9:29:48 PM PST by WorkingClassFilth (The problem with being a 'big tent' Party is that the clowns are seated with the paying customers.)
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To: weegee
The pattern would repeat itself across the continent until between 95 percent and 99 percent of American Indians had been exterminated.

It is fairly reliably estimated that the American Indian population declined by 95% in the century after Columbus.

Very little of this decline was due to killing by Europeans. Almost all of it was caused by the merging of the disease ecosystems of the Eastern and Western hemispheres. The virgin field created among the Indians gave diseases from the Old World a field day.

At the time, this process wasn't understood and couldn't have been prevented even had anybody known what was going on. The germ theory of disease wasn't even developed until the latter half of the 19th century.

Interestingly, very much the same thing would have happened if more technologically advanced Aztecs had landed in a primitive, but germier Spain.

14 posted on 11/24/2005 9:30:04 PM PST by Restorer (Illegitimati non carborundum)
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To: weegee
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15 posted on 11/24/2005 9:33:16 PM PST by Nasty McPhilthy (Those who beat their swords into plow shears.will plow for those who dont.)
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To: pcottraux
LOL! I can see this guy...Miserable...on Thanksgiving Day....alone...eating a Tofu and Water Cress sandwich...seething inside as millions of people of the "empire" sit down to a decent spread...
16 posted on 11/24/2005 9:33:24 PM PST by Dallas59 (“You love life, while we love death.” - Al-Qaeda / Democratic Party)
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To: weegee

Those are some great rebuttals. That professor is the moonbat's moonbat! Interesting that he teaches journalism........


17 posted on 11/24/2005 9:33:48 PM PST by Frank_2001
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To: Theresawithanh
How can a country that the young heroes we have in Iraq also produce utter fools like this Idiot. Tis a mystery
18 posted on 11/24/2005 9:34:31 PM PST by bybybill (GOD help us if the Rats win)
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To: clintonh8r

You left out 'despicable'...


19 posted on 11/24/2005 9:36:22 PM PST by GW and Twins Pawpaw (Sheepdog for Five [My grandkids are way more important than any lefty's feelings!])
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To: weegee
How does a country deal with the fact that some of its most revered historical figures held these views?

Why, we carve their likenesses in stone on mountain sides, set aside national holidays to remember these great men and eat truckloads of turkey every year around the end of November.

And if the Indians had succeeded in slaughtering all the whites and driving them from this land, how would that have been remembered?

Why, the carving of images, the singing of songs and annual celebrations involving food and sport.

Except all the sports teams would be named things like, The Dead Whiteys, The Tomahawked Pilgrims, The Scalped Round Eyes, The Tongueless Forked Tongues, etc.

Happy Thanksgiving, Chief!

20 posted on 11/24/2005 9:37:18 PM PST by cowboyway (My heroes have always been cowboys.)
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To: weegee
Just so you know where he's coming from:

According to Jensen, the United States was "just as guilty" as the hijackers in committing acts of violence. Jensen wrote that the Al Qaeda attack on the World Trade Center The Pentagon "was no more despicable than the massive acts of terrorism...that the U.S. government has committed during my lifetime."

21 posted on 11/24/2005 9:37:27 PM PST by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: Dallas59

I guess for us to enjoy our own lives is the best revenge against him for saying all these things...you know that will drive him nuts.


22 posted on 11/24/2005 9:37:42 PM PST by pcottraux (It's pronounced "P. Coe-troe.")
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To: bybybill

Gaussian distribution...


23 posted on 11/24/2005 9:38:13 PM PST by GW and Twins Pawpaw (Sheepdog for Five [My grandkids are way more important than any lefty's feelings!])
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To: weegee

Well unless that nitwit hands over his house keys to an apache and he takes the next boat back to what ever land his ancestors spawned themselves from, he can have a nice big 'ol glass of STFU.


24 posted on 11/24/2005 9:39:10 PM PST by Hexenhammer
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To: weegee
You would think if this guy is in Texas, he would be writing about the Texans taking the land from the Mexicans, who took it from the Spanish, who took it from the Indians, who took it from another, who took it from another...

But then, that would complicate the matter by showing a pattern that was started long before the white man showed up on this continent. Before there was a federal government to give you a place to live, you had to go out and do it yourself.

25 posted on 11/24/2005 9:43:09 PM PST by SouthTexas (What part of NO don't you understand?)
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To: weegee
I used to feel some guilt about native Americans losing their lands, when I was a kid. Not anymore.

The Wilderness War
by Allan W. Eckert

"Because of the bounties placed on scalps, the taking of people of all ages and sexes soon became something of a business on the frontier. In some cases the colonists - or, later on, the Americans - offered bounties on Indian scalps, but the greatest trafficking in scalps came as a result of the wide range of bounties placed on them by the British."

"Because different age and sex scalps brought different prices, the scalps had to be marked for proper payment to be given. Such bundles of scalps ordinarily were shipped in large lots of eight to twenty bundles, comprised of eighty-eight to one hundred scalps per bundle, or no less that seven hundred scalps per shipment."

"Scalps taken for British bounties were ordinarily shipped in these bundles to the governor of Canada in Quebec. Each scalp was stretched on a painted willow hoop and further painted on the inside of the skin. The colors and markings were used in a wide combination so that all of the necessary information about any particular scalp could be had at a glance. The basic hoop and scalp markings denoted the following:"

adena.com/

26 posted on 11/24/2005 9:43:26 PM PST by Daaave ("I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit...it's the only way to be sure.")
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To: Dallas59
My roommates Mexican....He watched EVERY SINGLE MINUTE of the Macy's Parade...Then stuffed himself, after giving thanks to GOD in English and Spanish, on the 20lb Turkey, Green Bean Casserole, Squash, Peas, Corn on the Cob, Candied Yams, SMASHED Taters, rolls, salad, carrots, pumpkin and sweet potato pie and wine. Then his co workers came over said thanks to GOD and stuffed themselves. We still enough to feed on for at least a week. I feel sorry for the guy who wrote this article. He's miserable.
27 posted on 11/24/2005 9:48:53 PM PST by Dallas59 (“You love life, while we love death.” - Al-Qaeda / Democratic Party)
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To: facedown
the Al Qaeda attack on the World Trade Center The Pentagon "was no more despicable than the massive acts of terrorism...that the U.S. government has committed during my lifetime."

If that is the case, then why does he feel comfortable with condemning the United States, but not Al Qaida? Clearly, he thinks we are worse.

28 posted on 11/24/2005 9:49:31 PM PST by Steel Wolf (* No sleep till Baghdad! *)
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To: weegee
What's great about this country is that anyone who believes they obtained their property unfairly from indigenous peoples are FREE to give their property to the local tribe and move back to Europe, Africa, Asia, or wherever else they feel more comfortable.

Until Mr. Jensen does this himself I'm not going to feel too guilty eating my Thanksgiving turkey.

Anyone fortunate enough to live in this land of liberty should thank their stars that our laws and culture are derived from England, which until then was the most advanced and free country on the planet. If it hadn't been, North America would be a third world Hell hole just like much of Africa, Asia, and South America are, where indigenous tribes continue to slaughter each other and tyrannical despots get rich off the land and the people.

That's what I'm most thankful for today - that North America looks like England, and not Zimbabwe
29 posted on 11/24/2005 9:50:46 PM PST by BigBobber
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To: weegee

I have asked myself this question many times, but I'd like to throw it out for general discussion:
Why do people like this, who hate America so much, stay here at all?
I know the standard answer, money, but why would people who apparently loath the USA with every breath not just leave? And why doesn't somebody ask them that question?


30 posted on 11/24/2005 9:54:39 PM PST by ozzymandus
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To: weegee
"It's not news that all the world's great powers achieved "greatness" through brutality on a grand scale. That those same societies are hesitant to highlight this barbarism also is predictable."

The USA, at its most brutal, can't hold a candle to many not so great powers.

Note to self: When conquering new worlds, kill ALL indigenous peoples. This will forgo paying their progeny restitution and hearing them &itch.
31 posted on 11/24/2005 9:56:57 PM PST by Razz Barry
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To: weegee

Bump


32 posted on 11/24/2005 10:01:18 PM PST by Dallas59 (You love life, while we love death"( Al-Qaeda & Democratic Party)
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To: weegee

Robert Jensen at UT is a Texas treasure. Once we have totally discredited Liberalism and converted or driven every last Liberal from the state of Texas, Jensen is the leading candidate to remain here as a reminder and warning to future generations about a warped and repugnant philosophy from long ago. I expect we’ll poke him with a stick every once in awhile to rouse him from his alcohol-induced stupor and laugh at what he utters or writes. Some will look on in pity and pray under their breath, “There, but for the grace of God…”.


33 posted on 11/24/2005 10:07:14 PM PST by Unmarked Package
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To: weegee
It's not news that all the world's great powers achieved "greatness" through brutality on a grand scale. That those same societies are hesitant to highlight this barbarism also is predictable.

Find me a nation older than 300 years without a bloody past. Point out a pacifist civilization that helped humanity stagger out of the wilderness. Show me a vibrant culture that has neither strength, nor the will to use it.

You can't.

Anyone that is alive today had ancestors that butchered their enemies. Trying to feel guilt over that is absurd and illogical.

Trashing Thanksgiving is especially bizarre, considering that it's a holiday that basically says 'We wish things had turned out different, and we had been friends'. This article speaks more to the insecurities and bias of the author than of society. A nation composed of Robert Jensens lacks the fiber needed to survive, and will be absorbed by the first invader to show up. Watch France's rapid cultural annexation by immigrants who believe in their own customs and history, and are not ashamed to admit it.

There is no future for those that deny their history. If you don't believe in your own way of life, you'll eventually be conquered by someone who does.

34 posted on 11/24/2005 10:11:14 PM PST by Steel Wolf (* No sleep till Baghdad! *)
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To: weegee

Let's all switch to a properly Native American holiday, where we all perform human sacrifice on a ten year old.


35 posted on 11/24/2005 10:12:23 PM PST by denydenydeny ("As a Muslim of course I am a terrorist"--Sheikh Omar Brooks, quoted in the London Times 8/7/05)
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To: weegee
Bones of Contention
by James Bishop Jr.

"People from all over the world have made much of the Anasazi, a Navajo word for "ancient ones’ or, some say, "ancient enemies," believing them to have been deeply spiritual. But what if that peaceful image is wrong?"

"The Pollyanna image of a peaceful people has been cracked - some say shattered forever. The reason is the publication of Man Corn: Cannibalism and Violence in the Prehistoric American Southwest, by Turner and his late wife, Jacqueline. It is the first detailed account of cannibalism and violence on a regional scale in the prehistoric American Southwest, especially in the Chaco Canyon area."

"The title of the book comes from the Aztec word tlacatlaolli, a "sacred meal of sacrificed human meat, cooked with corn."

hcn.org/

36 posted on 11/24/2005 10:17:39 PM PST by Daaave ("I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit...it's the only way to be sure.")
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To: Steel Wolf
Clearly, he thinks we are worse.

In a sense, that gives him more credit than he is due. He is a blow-away anti-American ala Ward Churchill, whom he wholeheartedly supports.

37 posted on 11/24/2005 10:20:32 PM PST by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: pcottraux

If you dwell on things that happened hundreds of years ago, you get the Balkans and their endless conflicts.


38 posted on 11/24/2005 10:24:54 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: facedown

He's perfectly free to go back to Europe anytime he wants. Of course, soon it will be run by Muslims anyway.


39 posted on 11/24/2005 10:26:59 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: Daaave; denydenydeny

"Indigenous peoples" and their quaint rituals were covered in detail in Frazer's "The Golden Bough." A sampling (not for the squeamish):

http://www.bartleby.com/196/103.html


40 posted on 11/24/2005 10:28:09 PM PST by LibFreeOrDie (L'chaim!)
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To: weegee

This guy should really just lock himself in a room and "do the right thing".


41 posted on 11/24/2005 10:29:20 PM PST by isrul
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To: weegee

One need only ask these questions.

Where was "native American" society headed, when the European's came here.

What was its level of "living"? Subsistance.

What was its organization? Tribal, chiefdoms.

What was its inter-tribal associations? Constant territorial conflicts.

What was the status of slavery? Practiced by most tribes with slaves seen as legitimate bounty from a succesful raid on another tribe.

What was the standards of education? Oral, and life experience; no written language with any tribe.

What was the standards of trade and industry? Raw materials, craftwork from animal skins and plants, no industrial or pre-industrial level of tools or tool use for "maufactures".

In other words, particularyly with no written language, the meeting of the Europeans with most native American tribes was never possible to be "favorable" to the tribes, because they lacked most anything with which to advance, other than acquiring the advancements that the Europeans brought; in other words, by assimilating with the Europeans.

This guilt ridden Mr. Jensen seems to not realize that all human progress - whether in Europe, Asia, the Middle East, Latin America or Africa - throughout all time has included the gradual increase of successful populations and the assimilation of other populations. In fact, most any Ethnic group in Europe or Asia today can not claim to be the "original" inhabitants of the area they appear to be a majority in today, with only a few exceptions.

This guilt ridden Mr. Jensen attempts to place modern sensibilities on a situation where he pretends that such sensibilities were active in the "native" populations and not active in the European populations - noble, caring, peaceful, etc., etc., etc. Mr. Jensen ignores that the entire world in the past, among all peoples, including "native" Americans, did not have the sensibilities with which he judges the Europeans of the 16 and 17 hundreds.

His biggest slime against Europeans, just like that professor Ward Churchill, has to do with the actual and extensive reduction in "native" populations due to disease, diseases that the Europeans brought with them, diseases the Europeans had much better immune defenses for and the "native" Americans did not. The diseases and the immunities came from the European periods of massive plaugues, which had not taken place in north or south America. And yes, a very many "native" Americans caught ill from simple contact with Europeans and died. Part of that truth though is the fact that the majority of those deaths accured early, spread quickly and spread far and had done most of the genocidal level of damage before major colonization began.
Just think of how fast they predict that the "bird flu" could spread today if they cannot produce antidoets for it.
The slime part is that the revisionist history of this aspect is written as if some secret cabal in Europe sought to intentionally eliminate the "natives" here by intentionally bringing European diseases here. It completely ignores the level of understanding about diseases in general and the total lack of understanding, at the time, about how one could have or not have immunities to disease. It happened, but no one sought to make it happen, no one brought disease to north America as a weapon.


42 posted on 11/24/2005 10:37:26 PM PST by Wuli
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To: dfwgator

That's right. You hate this evil country so much, GTFO. Otherwise, STFU. Or we'll KYFA.


43 posted on 11/24/2005 11:29:08 PM PST by karnage
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To: weegee
Oh gee, 3 or 4 hundred years ago, European cultural expansion wiped away the remnants of a neolithic society that was thousands of years behind the rest of the world.

What a surprise.

44 posted on 11/24/2005 11:44:53 PM PST by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: ozzymandus

I had 4 ancestors on the Mayflower. They were faced with with no chance of improving the economics of their lives.
They took a chance and came to America. They didn't just change their lives, they changed the world! I honor their memory today. They were not invaders and had no intentions of harming anyone. The "professor" of this article is not worthy of being in this country. He is free to go to any country of his choice. He should be aware that he would quickly find no freedom to express complaints there.

GOD BLESS AMERICA


45 posted on 11/25/2005 12:38:58 AM PST by hdstmf (too)
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To: weegee

Thanksgiving is my favorite holiday of the year. Why do you ask?? It's because after my family is done eating, we all go out, as a family, and hunt down some Injuns. Bagged a few of 'em yesterday I did!!!


BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!


46 posted on 11/25/2005 2:36:26 AM PST by kb2614 (Hell hath no fury than a bureaucrat scorned.)
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To: weegee

have you noticed none of these leftist freaks want to do anything on a date already that has not already become traditional


47 posted on 11/25/2005 3:54:45 AM PST by sure_fine (*not one to over kill the thought process*)
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To: Dallas59

That was my thought, too. My advice would be for him to give the deed to his house to the first indian he can find and to return to Europe forthwith...


48 posted on 11/25/2005 4:34:36 AM PST by Clioman
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To: weegee

The Europeans(and others)who came here acquired the land from the natives fair and square under the existing land transfer rules in place at the time, namely, conquest.
Conquest was how the Mohigans took land from the Pequots in my neck of the woods and it was how all tribes took land from each other during the centuries that they held sway here.

After having the continent for 20,000 years and working it all the way up to the neolithic, they lost it to a group that, 400 years later, left footprints on the moon. The principle at work is called highest and best use.


49 posted on 11/25/2005 4:36:12 AM PST by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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To: weegee
This person subscribes to the theory of "acquired guilt". We are guilty of things we did not do, simply because, in his estimation, we profit from the result of what he considers a crime. He of course, also greatly profits from that "crime". His very freedom and right to write what he thinks is dependent upon those ancient wrongs. But he seeks to somehow "atone" for this by rewriting history, and soiling the innocent and the virtuous with blame.

The writer is a confirmed, ideological leftist, without doubt. Why then can we not likewise affix all the guilt of the most dehumanizing, most genocidal, most oppressive regimes the world has ever seen, because this man seeks refuge in their shadow? Why isn't this writer guilty of all the crimes of Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot and Castro? Perhaps, like a true acolyte of Walter Duranty, he has also rewritten the history of those blood soaked regimes, so that he can avoid acquiring their guilt?

50 posted on 11/25/2005 9:14:06 AM PST by Richard Axtell (We are approaching the Abyss, let's not let them steer us over the edge...)
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