Posted on 11/27/2005 12:16:08 AM PST by seastay
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I can't see this lawsuit going very far. Both sides are clearly posturing. But it will be hard to claim discrimination when the history of admission is 75% and the standards are not designed to impact any particular school. The University has a right to make admission standards, not a court.
It will be interesting to watch, with the activist California courts, though. My guess is that the Calvary kids are out of luck.
I think it's the parents that have made the mistake and now they want the courts to fix it.
So they should just take the SAT. What's the problem?
All good questions. As usual, the truth will ooze out at a later date. Both sides are posturing, but the University's case is clearly on a sounder footing.
My kids are grown and gone, and I'd really like to do what you suggest.
How do I go about it?
"So they should just take the SAT. What's the problem?"
Now you get to the real point of the suit - to force the public Universities in California to accept Creation Biology, and other stuff as equivalent to real Biology and other stuff. Another, more subtle, wedge into the classroom.
If the suit is successful, then the Creos will argue "See, even the UC (one of the most liberal) system accepts the teaching of Creationism, so why not teach it in the public schools. The suit is a trial balloon in a search for other strategies.
But teaching creationist biology should not be accepted. Allowing students into UC who will undoubtedly spread their faith centered doubts about the veracity of science education just shouldn't be done. It would bring into question the validity of a degree from UC, and hurt other students.
In the sciences, the situation is less bad, since science is very objective. Bur ourside the sciences, things are going from bad to worse. All the courses should be titled "indoctrination into ....".
It is the parent's duty to provide the best they can for their kids. The problem is that a degree form Joe's Bible College just doesn't carry much weight in the real world.
What about the opportunity to do a little deprogramming?
How is a creationist course in biology going to handle bioinformatics? An evolutionary biology course is going to compare genomes across species by invoking divergence from a common ancestor. A creationist course is not. But the genomes make no sense except from an evolutionary perspective.
Sorry nutcases, but the lawsuit isn't just about your favorite boogeyman, ID - it helps sometimes to read the article and have an idea what you are talking about. But it is also nice you see y'all side with the libs again. In fact, earlier articles about this gave short mention to ID which makes me think it is being used as a strawman to justify this discrimination.
I am sure the public Universities in California are already accept the teaching of Creation Biology, it is just those classes are not suitable for admission to the university.
Have you ever checked the courses being offered at universities these days! Just about anything goes, if the scholastic standards for writing are there: Murder 101, Pop Music 101, Elvis just left the Building 101, Sociology 101: Marriage and the Family, Kissing 101, etc, etc. I am sure if a Creationist writes their views in a paper for a Philosophy of Religion class, with high enough writing skills, they will get an A, just as an evolutionist would.
I think this lawsuit is just another cheap publicity stunt to get the topic in the news. Those dorks that need 5 courses of remedial biology before they can meet minimum science requirements are just going to be a burden to the University. I know the University of WA is starting to impose penalties on students who don't complete their degree in 4 years.
This is all B.S. The Public Schools are a disaster in California and most other states as well. The Private School graduates are much better prepared than most Public school grads. The same thing goes for home schoolers.
And BTW, these Christians pay extremely high taxes to pay for these "colleges" (Government Indoctrination Centers) just like everyone else.
They don't have any problem admitting semi literate affirmative action students so what's the problem here?
Affirmative action was overturned. Where have you been?
Just because a university is socially liberal (libertarian) in that it thrives on diversity and acceptance, doesn't mean it is necessarily politically liberal. You have some of the most politically conservative students attending as well, especially in Southern CA.
Whoops!
Not that I disagree--Sociologists are just Anthropologists who couldn't find the right classroom that first day and never did figure out the difference.
(Now that should start something...)
That's funny! You're right. I took a social anthropology class where they couldn't figure out the difference either!
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