Posted on 11/27/2005 1:29:26 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
I really don't get it? Why can't God's intelligent design just happen to be evolution.
When we discussed that section of the text, we discussed the controversy regarding intelligent design and evolution.
Until I know more about the topic I am going to hold up on attempting to teach it. I was hoping that the NJEA would have offered a seminar in it, during their conference, needless to say they didn't.
"I think we need to replace capitalism with some kind of democratic socialism."
Maybe he can start by ensuring his pay is equal that of the part-time cafeteria workers.
However, evolutionists take it to the point where study which would suggest creationism is taboo, therefore they are restricting progress. Evolutionists aren't scientists, they are anti religionists (except for their own)
Nobody (except evolutionists) are saying it can't have some degree of evolution designed into it. There just isn't any proof that it does as of yet. We know there is a degree of adaptability.
It's just the mere thought of creationism that has evolutionist's panty's in a wad.
Why would teachers teach "their religious beliefs"? Though I really don't have a problem with it. I thought every citizen had freedom of religion and I would assume that means being able to discuss it. Teachers give up constitutional rights when they enter the public schools?
No, it isn't. If the Theory of Evolution is falsified, it will be thrown on the trash heap, along with every other falsified theory. Nobody will support a theory if it has been shown to be false. It is not a blind belief system.
A simple statement of WHO created life doesn't detract one bit from the study of it.
Since there is no physical evidence of WHO created life, there is no way to study it scientifically. And, by the way, I thought Intelligent design isn't about WHO created life, but merely states that "well, somebody did".
When you can answer what was created first the eyeball, the lens, the retina, the optic nerve, the brain, and why any one of those parts would have evolved for no reason whatsoever on their own, why the earliest known creatures trylobites had complex eyes, Then you can claim evolution.
You clearly don't understand evolution, at all. The part of the sentence that reads "why the earliest known creatures trylobites had complex eyes" is inaccurate (and mispelled). It should read "trilobites are the earliest known creatures to have complex eyes". Trilobites are not the earliest known creatures. It kind of trashes your argument.
Until then, it's a theory which has no proof whatsoever.
There is more evidence for the TOE than one man could possibly read in a lifetime, or several lifetimes for that matter.
LOGIC points to creation. Neither theory should interfere with the study of biological life, and creation statements don't.
There is no scientific evidence to back up creation, so I don't see why you find it to be logical. Evolution is a theory. It accurately predicts biological change over time. ID and creationism are not theories. They make no predictions, there are no tests, they are not falsifiable, and there is absolutely no science to back them up.
However, evolutionists take it to the point where study which would suggest creationism is taboo, therefore they are restricting progress. Evolutionists aren't scientists, they are anti religionists (except for their own)
Name some scientific form of study that could be conducted to suggest creationism. There is none. That is the problem.
Its worse than I thought!
Why should they be forced to teach a religious belief that is contrary to their own faith, whatever that may be? The problem here is that the proponents of ID and creationism want the Genesis version of creation taught in public school. There are many other religions that do not believe in the Christian Bible.
A good example would be the Indians tribes here in Washington State. They don't want it taught in history class that humans migrated to North America from Asia, Siberia, or wherever. Their belief system is that they were created here, and have always been here (their creation stories vary). That is part of the reason that they are fighting so vehemently over Kennewick Man. If it can be shown that he is not an ancestor of theirs it defies their religious beliefs regarding their creation.
(Incidentally, this one of the reasons that I always get a chuckle out of Coyoteman's creation stories).
mycology and psychology?
If teachers believe there is something they can't teach, they can ask to teach a different course or find another job. People should stand up for what they believe.
As I understand it, ID doesn't specify any certain creator/designer so I'm not sure what the problem is that you see.
Well, if a science teacher is suddenly told that they are to begin teaching religion as a part of their curriculum, I don't see why the teacher should have to find another job. I've heard all of the arguments about ID not specifying any certain creator/designer, but every argument all boils down to the same thing: book of Genesis, God of Abraham. It has already done so in this thread, and it does so in all of the crevo threads.
As the vast majority of creation stories all specify a different creator/designer, how exactly is every one of them going to be addressed? How will they be reconciled? How can anybody say that one is right and one is wrong without offending the kid(s) who are told that their religion is wrong?
You and I both believe in God, but we have very different interpretations of the book of Genesis. I don't want public school teachers, or school boards for that matter, being the final arbiter in the matter. It's none of their business, and we have the First Amendment to protect us from them.
ID is not based on any science, it is based on religion. I know that you have heard that before, but...
I just drank a hot cup of herbal tea, and I am going to once again try to get some sleep tonight. (I usually don't wake up at 3:30am, all bright-eyed and bushytailed). I'll check in later.
"When I was in the military we used to fine and demote sailors who would drink underage."
When were you in? In my day, if you were old enough to put on a uniform, you were old enough to go to the club and drink.
And when the government declares martial law and comes to collect your guns you'll hand all of them over because it's now the law, and when they come for the Jews you'll be glad it wasn't you, etc.
Exactly what happened in Germany in the late 1930s.
Sooner or later people must rise up. It has happened before in our history. Only 1/3 were actively in favor of our revolt from Great Britain in 1775. They were disobeying the law to revolt you know.
Evolution and the Earth religion (aka environmentalism) that goes hand in hand with it are slow motion genocide IMO. Evolution demeans man from his rightful position as the crown of creation and environmentalism equates him to a worm which results in public policies that injure and kill humans.
I'm not going to argue about it anymore. My kids are out of school, teachers have been teaching evolution for how many years now, yet the majority of Americans believe God is the creator so it probably really doesn't matter whether they hear about ID or not.
In public schools, biology is an elective subject signed up for by students who need the credits (and education) to be accepted by a university before they can embark on their careers in science. For a public school teacher to deliberately deceive and cheat the student by replacing evolutionary biology with silly and ignorant superstitious religious myths in their classrooms is nothing less than criminal. These so called teachers should be practicing their ignorant rituals from behind bars not, out there destroying young minds and careers in a public school.
In the US, when somebody is pushing ID the odds are it does mean God, and for almost all it means the Cristian God. Even on these threads, the people who support ID without God are very few.
You don't really believe all of these ID efforts in Kansas and Dover, PA and elsewhere are about making science classes safe for Zeus and voodoo, now do you?
"Name some scientific form of study that could be conducted to suggest creationism. There is none. That is the problem."
How about this one?
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Aegean/8830/mathproofcreat.html
Really? Would a "good teacher" present both the Jewish and Palestinian "differing ideas" on whether the Holocaust occurred? Should we expect Sunday school teachers to also "teach the controversy" on The Da Vinci Code?
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