Clearwater Man Puts Technology To Work

Tampa Bay Online ^ | 11/27/2005 | WILL RODGERS

[NewHampshireDuo]

Brown's patent can be found at http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=/netahtml/search-bool.html&r=15&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=pall&s1=4081656&OS=4081656&RS=4081656

[Ramtek57]

Sounds like Browns gas. They already use this for welding.
Do a search on the net and see.

[Nephi]

I wonder how his "Aquygen" is different from Brown's gas? I've read that Brown's gas can be used to weld dissimilar metals. Just as he described that his gas allows melting temperatures immediately, with Brown's gas, two dissimilar metals hit melting temperatures immediately, allowing them to melt together, or weld. I've also read that hydrogen used in gasoline powered cars is destructive to the type of metals typically used, causing cracking and other damage.

I've discovered Brown's gas thanks to the Internet and in the course of discovering how to nearly double the gas mileage in my own pickup truck. If the American public only knew what the government (and their vested interest in tax per gallon of gasoline), car companies and oil companies know about fuel vaporization we would have a revolution.

[Cvengr]

It is (too good to be true). Hydrogen embrittlement has been a very difficult anamoly in metallurgy for millenia. Fundamentally, hydrogen is the smallest element, and hydrogen ions can needle their way into any metallic matrix. This gives rise to dislocations and reduced strength in the materials exposed to hydrogen. Inducing hydrogen embittlement is enhanced at elevated pressures, temperatures, and strain rates,...i.e. conditions within an internal combustion engine.

Essentially, spiking the fuel with hydrogen is the opposite type of fuel desired by engineers. Formulated hydrocarbons, breaking into smaller components, allows the reaction products to also not be as volitile, and more stable in the engine system. On the flip side, the larger the products, if not simialr to the outside environment, naturally creates different types of pollutants.

[hgro]

I have a bridge in Brooklyn.

[Tanniker Smith]

Okay, someone enlighten me. How can two H and one O combine and NOT be water? Oxygen has two hooks, hydrogen has one hook. THere's only one configuration for them to hook up.

Chemically speaking HHO makes no sense. It says that the H in the middle is bonding two ways, which isn't possible.

And there's no mention if H2 or H3 (atomic weight 2 or 3) are being used (or possibly created?) in this process.

So what exactly gives here? What am I missing?

[AmericaUnited]

Klein's gas is two parts hydrogen and one part oxygen. Sound familiar? Yep, it's water

Yes, it does sound familiar, from Yull Brown's patent. Damn thief!

Yull Brown patent excerpt: It has been found that welding with hydrogen and oxygen in an exact 2 to 1 ratio (as when the gases are produced electrolytically) results in a particularly clean, oxide free welded surface and a strong welded joint.

[carmelanne]

I wish I needed to cut something up!   

Look at the movie before posting and sounding foolish

[TexasTransplant]

>>>"If the American public only knew what the government (and their vested interest in tax per gallon of gasoline), car companies and oil companies know about fuel vaporization we would have a revolution."<<<

I want the "tinfoil hat" concession in your neighborhood, (if someone hasn't already franchised it).

TT

[AmericaUnited]

This is a good link for more info: http://www.phact.org/e/bgas.htm

Also at this one we see that guy has ripped off other's technology:
http://www.watertorch.com/links/links1.html

[babygene]

See this:

http://www.energyoptions.com/tech/browns.html

[quantim]

Yes, the first sentence seemed a lot like those 'cold fusion' stories a few years ago. It's probably just a promo press release as they look for investors to keep the research going.

[VOA]

bump

[narby]

The "Everything else" is unpredictable. And that makes it dangerous.

Oxy/Acetylene is not particularly safe. Wouldn't want to use it on a fuel tank. Wouldn't want to stick your hand in the flame. No industrial process is totally safe.

Your response is typical to anything done today. "It's too dangerous". EVERYTHING is dangerous if used improperly. You ever see that satire about the dangers of water. They called it "dihidrosomthingorother" to make it seem evil and then gave all these "facts" about how people had been harmed by water.

Perhaps this stuff is more dangerous than alternatives (high pressure O2 tanks transported around in old pickups). But NOTHING is totally safe.

[narby]

Yes, it does sound familiar, from Yull Brown's patent. Damn thief!

My experience has been that no patent is actually "original". It seems like anyone can patent anything and get a lawsuit stirred up, as long as the process is valuable enough.

Patents are not supposed to be granted for something that is "obvious to someone trained in the art". But I work in the GPS applications business, and hundreds of patents were granted to things you can do outdoors, but suddenly adding a GPS to a thing known about for years is patentable. That's BS.

One company I know got a patent on spreading different amounts of fertilizer on farm fields based on GPS and a map. Of course a farmer could have done that manually, but add a GPS, boom, patent. As far as I'm concerned, it would be obvious to any farmer who spread fertilizer based on a map that he could use a GPS to do it.

What's worse, the company that did that original patent about 20 years ago got a "new" patent about 5 years ago that as far as I can tell does exactly the same thing. No difference. They just drastically re-worded the patent application. They even referenced the original patent, but no one was sharp enough to tell that they were describing the same thing.

[Willie Green]

How can two H and one O combine and NOT be water? Oxygen has two hooks, hydrogen has one hook. THere's only one configuration for them to hook up.

Under normal temperature/pressure conditions, gaseous hydrogen and Oxygen are both diatomic. That is, they exist in nature as stable molecules H₂ and O₂. These "stable" gases can coexist in proportions that would form water without actually doing so. It takes a "spark" of energy to blast at least a few molecules of hydrogen and oxygen out of their diatomic state, whereupon they'd be free to recombine as H₂O, and releasing MORE energy than what was required as input in the original spark. This, of course, sets off a chain reaction throughout the mixture until all the hydrogen and oxygen are combined.

As near as I can figure, this Clearwater "genius" must be using some highly insulated, temperature/pressure controlled storage vessel to prevent the mixture from combusting. And may also be using weird temperature/pressure conditions to hold the H and O in their unstable monatomic states.

Pretty nifty engineering, if that's what he's doing.
But I'd prefer viewing any demonstration from at least a mile away.

[mugs99]

"You can't do this with any other gas,"

Yes you can. The oxygen lance has been popular with safe crackers since the thirties.
Klein's gas is just a rerun of Brown's gas. This technology has been around for decades. You can find dozens of plans for Brown's gas generators on the net. They all work, I have built several myself. They are not all they're 'cracked' up to be. You might find them in a college but you won't find them in the welding industry. Welders have already been burned by Brown's 'invention'.

As far as automotive use goes...they are harmful to your engine. Adding two hydrogen and one oxygen to the combustion mixture increases cylinder head temperature, burns valves and turns your engine into a water pump.
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