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Hollywood GEISHA raise eyebrows in Asia
Reuters ^ | November 28, 2005 | Hildy

Posted on 11/28/2005 7:10:53 AM PST by Hildy

TOKYO (Reuters) - A dream team of movie stars from China and Japan gathered in Tokyo on Monday to promote "Memoirs of a Geisha," the first big-budget Hollywood romance to feature an almost entirely Asian cast.

But a day ahead of the world premiere, some in Japan were wondering why homegrown talent was shut out of the leading roles in a film that celebrates Japan's unique culture.

Harsher comments have come from China, where bitter feelings over Japan's 1931-45 occupation of parts of the country make the idea of Chinese playing geisha unacceptable to some.

Based on a best-selling novel, backed by Steven Spielberg and directed by Rob Marshall of the multiple Oscar-winning "Chicago", "Memoirs" has generated enormous media interest.

The cast adds up to Asia's A-list, with China's Ziyi Zhang starring as Sayuri, a poor fisherman's daughter who transforms herself into a legend of Kyoto's mysterious entertainment world in the 1930s.

The two other leading roles are played by Gong Li, also of China, and ethnic Chinese Malaysian actress Michelle Yeoh, with Japanese performers relegated to secondary roles.

"Memoirs," reported to have cost its makers $85 million, can ill afford to alienate moviegoers in Japan, the second biggest market for Hollywood films.

But some have already expressed anger at what they see as a cavalier attitude to the subtleties of traditional costume and dance in a movie largely shot on a specially built set in California.

"According to this film, 'geisha' dance in a bizarre fashion, as if they were in a Los Angeles strip show," one Japanese film fan complained on a Web log, or blog, adding that the lights and special effects were more reminiscent of modern Las Vegas than old Kyoto.

"We should boycott this film and send a clear message to Hollywood. Why on earth have they made a film making fun of the Japanese, when they cannot get by without us?" the blog continued.

Chinese bloggers were outraged.

"She's sold her soul and betrayed her country. Hacking her to death would not be good enough," China's state media quoted one blogger as saying of Zhang.

Dressed in an off-white cocktail dress with her hair piled high, Zhang told a packed news conference she saw the film as a step forward for Asian actors.

"I am really grateful to Rob Marshall for giving us this incredible chance to show the whole world Asian actors' ability," she said on Monday. "We can do so much more than people think."

ARTISTIC IMPRESSION

In Kyoto, the center of Japan's traditional arts, the reaction was more circumspect, in keeping with the western Japanese city's customary discretion.

"It's a Hollywood movie. It's just entertainment, so what can we do?" said an official at the Kyoto Traditional Musical Art Foundation, which promotes the music, dance and other arts of old Japan. "Hollywood has always done things like ignoring history."

"Complaining about it will just focus attention on it, so we plan to ignore it," he added, saying that the foundation had turned down requests to take part in promotional events connected with the premiere.

Director Marshall has long emphasised that he was not trying to create an accurate picture of the Japan of the 1930s and that he felt he had chosen the best actors for each role, regardless of nationality.

"The challenge for me was to bring that world to life. For me, it is an artistic impression of that world," he said on Monday.

And some Japanese who saw the preview were pleasantly surprised.

"It was strange, but not in a bad way," said one magazine writer, who declined to be identified. "I think because they are foreigners they have been able to create a vision of Japanese beauty that we could not, because we would be trying to recreate reality," she added.

Japan has a record of accepting Hollywood versions of itself without complaint. Industry reports said "The Last Samurai" (2003), starring Tom Cruise and set in 19th century Japan, grossed more in Japan than in the United States.

"Memoirs of a Geisha" caused controversy in Japan long before it became a movie.

Mineko Iwasaki, the main inspiration for Arthur Golden's book, sued the author for failing to maintain her privacy, after he described such practices as "mizuage" or the selling of a young geisha's virginity to the highest bidder, which she has been reported as saying does not exist.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Japan; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: china; geisha; hollywood; japan; moviereview; ziyizhang
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To: Tired of Taxes
Honestly, the best way is to ask them. I work with people from all over the place (naturalized citizens) and enjoy hearing the stories of their homeland (and usually why it sucks compared to the USA).

Now, because I DO work with many different people, I notice differences that do allow me to make an 'educated guesses' about their country of origin.
While Caucasians have 'round' eyes and Asian tend to have 'almond' eyes but there are 200 different variations to that almond or round shape. Those variations can indicate their heritage. Some peoples have more round faces and others are more angular - this too can indicate heritage. And there is always skin tones and shades (pink, blue, yellow, brown, copper, black and so-black-they-look-blue)

It takes years of interaction and people watching to guess with any accuracy. It's best to just talk to them. But if you just want an easy way to offend any one of Asian decent, just call them a Oriental :)
41 posted on 11/28/2005 8:56:56 AM PST by PissAndVinegar
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To: wideawake

This whole thing is silly.

It is a MOVIE.

It is a FICTIONAL story.

It is a STYLIZED representation of FICTION.

It was written by Arthur Golden. That doesn't sound Japanese to me.

This is a story about Japanese culture, written by a westerner.

Sorry, I just have to roll my eyes here. Nothing personal against anyone who is complaining...I just think they are wrong.

I live in Japan for 2 1/2 years. I liked it. I liked the people, but...they are Japanese, and a challenge for westerners to really understand well. They are people capable of great beauty and sensitivity, and at the same time, great brutality. I happen to like the fact that they are more or less on our side now.

If someone wants to make a stylized representation of Japan that will make westerners appreciate some aspects of the beauty of Japan, then...what harm can come of it?

Good gosh.


42 posted on 11/28/2005 9:09:02 AM PST by rlmorel ("Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does." Whittaker Chambers)
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To: Hildy

I remember how upset some people were because there weren't enough "people of color" in "Saving Private Ryan". Sheesh.


43 posted on 11/28/2005 9:09:58 AM PST by rlmorel ("Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does." Whittaker Chambers)
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To: Kirkwood

I LOVED that movie!


44 posted on 11/28/2005 9:10:19 AM PST by rlmorel ("Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does." Whittaker Chambers)
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To: MattinNJ

"...Hollywood's best can't touch Asia's best..."

In your opinion, right...:)

I guess it all depends on how you define "best"...


45 posted on 11/28/2005 9:12:47 AM PST by rlmorel ("Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does." Whittaker Chambers)
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To: Kirkwood

Actually, the Japanese are one of the most homogenous societies on earth. But your point is well taken...

And, what is wrong with John Wayne as Genghis Khan? Pilgrim...:) (only kidding...I have never seen it, it must have been pretty funny!)


46 posted on 11/28/2005 9:16:13 AM PST by rlmorel ("Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does." Whittaker Chambers)
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To: wideawake; Pharmboy
By this argument, actors of Polish descent should never be cast in a Jane Austen movie because there were no Polish families among the landed gentry of 18th century Dorsetshire.

Don't get me started on James Cahn, George Raft, and Paul Muni playing Italian gentiles. Even Vin Diesel, who's German and Puerto Rican, played an Italian-American in "Boiler Room."

One thing you can say however, is that I have NEVER met a Cuban American who complained about Al Pacino and Mary Elizabeth Mastrontonio playing Cubans in Scarface. As my pal Mike in Miami told me, Pacino was more Cuban than most Cubans in that film.

47 posted on 11/28/2005 9:21:26 AM PST by Clemenza (Ticking Away the Moments that Make up the Dog Day)
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To: wideawake

BTW: This Polish/Italian guy has been mistaken for Cuban (among other Latino ethnicities), Middle-Eastern, and Jewish. Sometimes you can't tell based on appearance.


48 posted on 11/28/2005 9:23:46 AM PST by Clemenza (Ticking Away the Moments that Make up the Dog Day)
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To: Kirkwood

I did okay, but...that test was difficult...I guessed the Japanese and Koreans better, but had difficulty with the Chinese.


49 posted on 11/28/2005 9:26:41 AM PST by rlmorel ("Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does." Whittaker Chambers)
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To: Clemenza

And, you can make up for that with good acting and stereotypical behavior, if you carry it...:)


50 posted on 11/28/2005 9:27:54 AM PST by rlmorel ("Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does." Whittaker Chambers)
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To: section9
Okay, can someone tell me why they got ethnic Chinese actresses to play a Japanese Geisha?

They all look alike? ...

51 posted on 11/28/2005 9:31:07 AM PST by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: Clemenza
Interesting you mention Scarface. My ex-boss is a Cuban-American, when I said to him that I thought Pacino's accent in that movie was awful, he said that Pacino was exactly right in his portrayal.

And, don't forget the non-Jews playing Jewish mobsters, eg., Warren Beatty (Benny Siegal), Ben Kingsley (Meyer Lansky), Alex Rocco (Moe Green in The Godfather).

52 posted on 11/28/2005 9:33:10 AM PST by Pharmboy (The stone age didn't end because they ran out of stones.)
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To: Mr. Jeeves
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53 posted on 11/28/2005 9:34:54 AM PST by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: Pharmboy
Ben Kingsley (who is half-Indian, half-English) is the man of a million ethnicities. I've seen him play Ghandi, Meyer Lansky, an Iranian wannabe real estate mogul, a Chilean general, a corrupt Swiss banker and an Anglo Vice President.

Now if he could play a handicapped Armenian lesbian midget, I would be REALLY impressed.

54 posted on 11/28/2005 9:41:47 AM PST by Clemenza (Ticking Away the Moments that Make up the Dog Day)
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To: Kirkwood

My report card score was "very bad". I got 7 correct. It said, "Obviously you can't tell them apart." LOL.

To be honest, I wouldn't have even known a couple of the people in those photos were Asian at all.

Now I want to see a test that asks Asians to tell apart different Europeans... lol. :-)


55 posted on 11/28/2005 9:46:36 AM PST by Tired of Taxes
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To: Clemenza
Now if he could play a handicapped Armenian lesbian midget, I would be REALLY impressed.

I think that's his next role. The movie's called Maria Hagajarian is Really Stumped.

56 posted on 11/28/2005 9:53:49 AM PST by Pharmboy (The stone age didn't end because they ran out of stones.)
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To: Clemenza

Then there is Anthony Quinn, the original Hollywood "generic ethnic type" :) Arab? Greek? Mongol? Italian? Eastern European Jew? nothing a good make-up pencil can't dress up :)

Or the Egyptian Omar Sharif as a White Russian in Dr. Zhivago ...


57 posted on 11/28/2005 9:56:22 AM PST by Republican Party Reptile
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To: Pharmboy

BWAHAAAA!!! You owe me a new monitor.


58 posted on 11/28/2005 9:58:01 AM PST by Clemenza (Ticking Away the Moments that Make up the Dog Day)
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To: Republican Party Reptile
My favorite Mexicans in Hollywood:

Eli Wallach

Charleton Heston

59 posted on 11/28/2005 10:02:02 AM PST by Clemenza (Ticking Away the Moments that Make up the Dog Day)
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To: Kirkwood; section9

You both have points. It reminds of Jeremy Pivens character "Ari" in his HBO show that its Hollywood and Hillary Swank won an Oscar for playing a person with a "di**".


60 posted on 11/28/2005 10:03:46 AM PST by KC_Conspirator (This space outsourced to India)
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