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World War III seen through Soviet eyes (Poles release plans)
The News Telegraph ^ | 11/28/05 | Mikey_1962

Posted on 11/28/2005 7:21:37 AM PST by Mikey_1962

The nightmare of nuclear war in Europe - a spectre that haunted the world for half a century - stood revealed yesterday in terrible detail.

In a historic break with the past, Poland's newly elected government threw open its top secret Warsaw Pact military archives - including a 1979 map revealing the Soviet bloc's vision of a seven-day atomic holocaust between Nato and Warsaw Pact forces.

Click to enlarge The defence minister, Radek Sikorsky, showed off the map at an emotional press conference.

He described it as a "personally shattering experience", pointing to a long line of nuclear mushroom clouds neatly stamped along the Vistula, where Soviet bloc commanders assumed that Nato tactical nuclear weapons would rain down to block reinforcements arriving from Russia.

About two million Polish civilians would die in such a war, and the country would be all but wiped off the face of the Earth, he said.

On the map, western Europe lay beneath a chilling overlay of large red mushroom clouds: Warsaw Pact nuclear strikes, using giant warheads to compensate for their relative lack of precision.

Soviet bombs rain down on cities from northern Denmark down to Brussels, the political headquarters of Nato. Large red clouds blot out cities such as Hamburg, Frankfurt, Stuttgart, Munich and Baden Baden, Haarlem, Antwerp and Charleroi, above the Franco-Belgian border.

On the map, smaller blue mushroom clouds showed expected Nato targets - most of them relatively precise attacks - including strikes on Warsaw and Prague.

The map dates from a time when the balance of power was radically different from now. In Washington the vacillating Jimmy Carter was suffering a series of defeats - the Iranian revolution and the subsequent seizure of the United States embassy in Teheran. Britain was at a low ebb, racked by strikes, and just putting its faith in Margaret Thatcher.

The Kremlin, however, was stretching its muscles - preparing for its ill-fated takeover of Afghanistan.

Perhaps because the map shows a limited war game exercise, entitled Seven Days to the River Rhine, rather than full invasion plans, troops stop at the Rhine, and there are no attacks or bomb strikes on Britain, or on France.

Large blue Nato nuclear bombers are shown flying out of bases in East Anglia, and squadrons of Nato fighters are shown scrambling from Danish bases into combat over the Baltic.

The decision to unveil the Warsaw Pact documents is one of the first moves of Poland's new conservative government. Mr Sikorsky described it as an attempt to draw a line under the country's Communist past, and "educate" the Polish public about the old regime.

He did not deny that the opening of the archives will be seen as a provocation in Moscow. Russian-Polish relations have sharply deteriorated recently, amid rows over a planned oil pipeline, and Polish support for democratic revolutions in Russia's backyard, first in Ukraine, and now Belarus.

Mr Sikorsky, a former dissident who studied at Oxford University, said: "These are documents that are crucial for educating the public, and showing how Poland was kept as an unwilling ally of the Soviet Union. This government wants to end the post-Communist period.

"It's important for citizens to know who was a hero, and who was a villain. It is important for the civic health of society to make these things public."

The files being released would include documents about "Operation Danube", the 1968 invasion of Czechoslovakia. They also included files on an army massacre of Polish workers in Szczecin in the 1970s, and from the martial law era of the 1980s.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: coldwar; nukes; poland; ww3; wwiii
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See? They weren't an evil empire. Reagan was wrong. Oh well. Too bad we didn't unilaterally disarm.
1 posted on 11/28/2005 7:21:38 AM PST by Mikey_1962
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To: Mikey_1962

I love the "vacillating Jimmy Carter."

At least the Russians saw him for the spineless, America-hating coward our media refuses to recognize.


2 posted on 11/28/2005 7:25:10 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
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To: MeanWestTexan

They knew a wimp when they saw one.


4 posted on 11/28/2005 7:31:54 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
Perceived weakness ALWAYS invites attack. From the commies
to the Islamofascists, as soon as they perceive weakness
they feel free to move on America.
5 posted on 11/28/2005 7:39:00 AM PST by p[adre29 (Arma in armatos)
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To: Mikey_1962

Wait a minute. Electing Reagan was supposed to CAUSE this. I know. My first college professors in 1979 TOLD me.


6 posted on 11/28/2005 7:40:20 AM PST by ElkGroveDan (California bashers will be called out)
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To: Mikey_1962
The decision to unveil the Warsaw Pact documents is one of the first moves of Poland's new conservative government. Mr Sikorsky described it as an attempt to draw a line under the country's Communist past, and "educate" the Polish public about the old regime.

Why the scare quotes for "educate"? At least the new Polish government has the moral clarity to make the case that people need to be educated about the real evil of Communism, without the backdrop of political correctness. It's a lesson that America needs to re-learn.

7 posted on 11/28/2005 7:58:03 AM PST by bassmaner (Let's take the word "liberal" back from the commies!!)
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To: MeanWestTexan
I love the "vacillating Jimmy Carter."

I don't recall Carter vacillating much; he was just constantly, soggily ineffective.

8 posted on 11/28/2005 8:01:14 AM PST by Grut
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To: Grut

I remember his vacillating got us 20 1/2 percent interest. We financed a $1.2 million piece of equipment at this rate, courtesy of this goofball.


9 posted on 11/28/2005 8:07:55 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Mikey_1962

Thanks for posting.


10 posted on 11/28/2005 8:22:27 AM PST by Thorin ("I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.")
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To: Mikey_1962

It appears the Soviet plan was doomed from the start. If they were anticipating this kind of nuclear saturation, it would be a phyrric victory at minimum if they thought they were going to take over Europe.


11 posted on 11/28/2005 8:34:06 AM PST by Rutles4Ever ("Fizellas! Looks like you guys are up to no good. Well, THIS gang used to be like that TOO, 3, 4)
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To: Mikey_1962
They also included files on an army massacre of Polish workers in Szczecin in the 1970s, and from the martial law era of the 1980s.

Last line - Burying the lead. Why talk about "plans" that never happened when you have a bonafide Nazi-like atrocity you could be talking about? This could have happened to all of Solidarity and who would know?
12 posted on 11/28/2005 8:38:46 AM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - IT'S ISLAM, STUPID! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth)
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To: Thorin

Si vis pacem, para bellum.

(Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes).


13 posted on 11/28/2005 8:47:45 AM PST by Mikey_1962
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I remember reading a book in the late 70's titled, I think: "World war III, August 1986"
Written by several (ex)NATO officers, it described in pretty good detail the war as it started with Soviet armored columns pouring through the Fulda Gap - pretty realistic.
It ended with the Soviets reeling from the NATO counter-attack and trying to regain momentum with a nuclear strike on Birmingham followed by a NATO launch against Kiev.....
Anyone remember this book (and, perhaps, its correct title?)
14 posted on 11/28/2005 8:54:55 AM PST by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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The new Polish government is cleaning house of all that was left over from the Communist era (including police personnel.) Radek Sikorski lived for a long time in Washington and is married to an American.


15 posted on 11/28/2005 9:00:36 AM PST by Malesherbes
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To: Rutles4Ever

"If they were anticipating this kind of nuclear saturation, it would be a phyrric victory at minimum"

That is correct. Because the Soviets planned on using 'City Buster' 20 Megaton warheads, this would have ruined almost all Europe, including France and England which they say they were not going to attack.


16 posted on 11/28/2005 9:13:56 AM PST by quant5
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To: Mikey_1962
I honestly do believe that the Soviets didn't plan to launch a first strike. From about 1975 to 1983, they would have won the land battle without using nukes. NATO would have launched first to stop Soviet armored units.

The book Psalm 73 read was "The Third World War" by General Sir John Hackett, whose scenario postulated a 1985 invasion of the West by the Soviets. NORTHAG didn't hold, and the Soviets nearly reached the Belgian frontier, but in CENTAG, to the south, NATO launched a counter thrust into East Germany and cut off WP supply lines. The Soviets launched a nuclear missile on Birmingham, England, to force a settlement; the U.S. and U.K. in turn fired a missile each at Minsk, Byelorussia, in a tit-for-tat exchange. The Soviet government collapsed and the war ended in victory.

Harold Coyle used Hackett's scenario in his book, "Team Yankee," which is centered around a U.S. Army company-sized tank unit.
17 posted on 11/28/2005 9:19:28 AM PST by GAB-1955 (The U.S. Coast Guard started shooting at Frenchmen in 1790.)
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To: Psalm 73

The book was called "The Third World War, August 1985" by General Sir John Hackett. I bought my copy from the Drug Fair by my house. If you get a chance read Team Yankee by Harold Coyle. It uses the same story and is a pretty fun read. That is if you find tanks, explosions and general carnage to be fun ;)


18 posted on 11/28/2005 9:29:30 AM PST by Fry
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To: GAB-1955
"The Third World War".....

Man, you have got some phenominal recall - I'm surprised that I actually remembered something that I read in the late 70's........

19 posted on 11/28/2005 9:43:21 AM PST by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: Rutles4Ever

The USSR only needed a 7 day plan.

After 7 days, they knew the democrats would be calling for the US withdraw anyway.


20 posted on 11/28/2005 10:59:21 AM PST by OldGuard (W04 - A winner every time.)
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