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The Savage Nation vs. the Bushbots
www.homestead.com ^ | 7/21/05 | PAUL MULSHINE

Posted on 11/28/2005 5:03:33 PM PST by mastercylinder

Edited on 11/28/2005 5:07:49 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

Al Franken and the other liberals are probably still wondering why they had such little luck in their efforts to start a talk-radio network to bash George Bush from the left. They didn't consider the obvious explanation. George Bush has his left flank nicely covered. It's on the right that he's weak.

That is the theory of Michael Savage. Savage is the most right-wing of the right-wing talkers on the national airwaves at the moment. He is based in San Francisco, but he can be heard in the New York area on WOR in the evenings. He is a welcome change from those Karl Rove clones Hush Bimbo and Sean Vanity.

"Hush Bimbo" and "Sean Vanity" are the names Savage has pinned on Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity of WABC. In doing so, he has sparked a war between the members of his "Savage Nation" (slogan: "Borders, language, culture") and the so-called "Bushbots," that sizable number of gullible Americans who can be convinced that whatever policy Bush adopts is a conservative policy.

"What makes Bush a conservative?" Savage asked when I got him on the phone the other day. "On the economy, Bush has got more governmental workers than anybody before him. He's ballooned the government."

As regards the so-called "war on terror," Savage points out that you can't win a war when you're afraid even to name the enemy.

"He's never mentioned Islamofascism," said Savage.

No, he hasn't. Even the French have been more willing to defend their borders, language and culture than Bush. He's a multiculturalist and a mushy one at that. Instead of reducing the reach of Islamic fundamentalism, Bush has managed in Iraq to get 1,700 Americans killed in a war that will create yet another Islamic republic. Just yesterday we learned that the new constitution in Iraq will incorporate sharia, Islamic law.

That's why we right-wing commentators believe the Iraq war has been the biggest blunder in America's military history. As for Bimbo and Vanity, if I may employ Savage's labels, they are simply too uneducated to realize that the Iraq war represents a failed liberal exercise in nation-building.

"There is no college in Rush. There is no college in Hannity," said Savage. "He's a high school dropout. It's like listening to an uneducated, unthinking man on the radio."

Savage has a Ph.D. from Berkeley in epidemiology, an extremely challenging field. That makes him a bit overqualified for the verbal pro-wrestling matches that make up talk radio. But it also makes him interesting.

The Bushbots don't think so. On their Web sites, they call Savage a bigot and a racist, two terms the employment of which generally indicate that the speaker is losing an argument. Savage is a hero on those Web sites that attack Bush's open-borders approach to immigration. "Rush Limbaugh is a direct link to his president, El Traitor, Senor Bush," wrote one blogger. "The invasion by illegals has been going on now for a long time."

"You are 100 percent correct," said another of Limbaugh and Hannity. "They are nothing but blind, rubber-stamping followers of El Presidente Bush."

All of this is a lot of fun if you don't take it seriously. I certainly don't. But I do find talk radio to be a good barometer of the nation's mood. And the nation is slowly figuring out that the Bush-neoconservative-Troskyite- internationalist view of foreign affairs has not worked out so swimmingly for the good old U.S. of A.

"Bush is melting down our borders and making us into a polyglot nation in which no one speaks the language," says Savage.

Savage hears a lot from people who say that any criticism of Bush is a mark of disloyalty to conservatism.

"I can't stand listening to people who want me to be a lapdog for Bush," he told me. "We're supposed to be watchdogs, not lapdogs."

As for the rest of the radio talkers, "They may as well work for the Republican Party. There's nothing interesting if you can predict what a man's going to say by just going to the GOP Web site."

He's certainly got that right. Listening to an endless rehash of Karl Rove's talking points, leavened by a few Teddy Kennedy-is-a-drunk jokes, is not very entertaining.

As for the Al Franken approach, how can a nation-building, internationalist multiculturalist get any traction by criticizing another nation-building, internationalist multiculturalist? John Kerry had that problem as well, you might have noticed.

When you attack the Bush-Rove spin from the right, however, you realize that the neocons' grand social experiment has been tried most visibly in Iraq and has failed most visibly there. People are starting to notice. Eventually even the Bushbots may get a clue.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: bush; bushbot; duplicatepost; hehasitright; kook; savage; talkradio; weinerbots
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To: jdm
Savage is also dangerous in his ability to circulate inaccurate information. E.g., Rush is not a high school dropout. College dropout, not high school.

Frankly, Savage's hostile tone makes me uncomfortable. I never know when he's going to explode about some minor point, and then I don't know if it's sincere or theatrical. Listening to him reminds me of late-night talk radio and some of the off-the-wall dj's that would say anything to get someone to call in.

261 posted on 11/29/2005 2:04:41 AM PST by MHT
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK

A "real intellect" is someone who is able to identify a problem, understand it, assess it, and come up with a range of solutions that might solve it. This is the heavy lifting of leadership and governing a nation.

It is the curse of the post modern world to believe that there are commonsense solutions for complex problems.


262 posted on 11/29/2005 2:30:37 AM PST by durasell
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To: Stepan12
("He's never mentioned Islamofascism," said Savage.)

Pres. Bush mentioned Islamofascism in his recent speech.

Agreed. In a speech at Osan AB, Korea.

263 posted on 11/29/2005 2:39:10 AM PST by Jet Jaguar
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To: mastercylinder

me 3


264 posted on 11/29/2005 2:50:43 AM PST by chasio649
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To: fallujah-nuker

truth bump


265 posted on 11/29/2005 2:53:45 AM PST by chasio649
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To: Once-Ler

The problem was that as bad as GWB can be, Kerry was far far worse.


266 posted on 11/29/2005 5:04:36 AM PST by chris1 ("Make the other guy die for his country" - George S. Patton)
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To: HitmanNY

Being from Da Bronx myself, there are many things I can relate to with Savage. However, having visited my sister in Indiana for a week, I can see where many outside of NY might not get him.


267 posted on 11/29/2005 5:06:19 AM PST by chris1 ("Make the other guy die for his country" - George S. Patton)
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To: Jigsaw John

Hannity is not even tolerable anymore.


268 posted on 11/29/2005 5:09:14 AM PST by chris1 ("Make the other guy die for his country" - George S. Patton)
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To: mastercylinder
Just yesterday we learned that the new constitution in Iraq will incorporate sharia, Islamic law.

So this is why 2000 Americans died and still die today??? To institute a satanic form of government that is 100 percent against freedom of any kind??

We need to get the **ll out of that God forsaken country yesterday if the above quote is true!

269 posted on 11/29/2005 5:12:26 AM PST by Walkin Man
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To: airborne

Not true, before Thanksgiving Bush gave a hard hitting speech equating radical islamic fundamentalism with the nazis. Go Rush, Go Sean!


270 posted on 11/29/2005 5:12:59 AM PST by moose2004 (You Can Run But You Can't Hide!)
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To: HitmanNY
Oh, I recognize that without even a Michael Savage to tell me it's so. I appreciate his knowledge of history and I agree with his berating both sides over the border situation, I cannot take his back patting and the name-calling (Hush Limbaugh, Sean Vanity, Bill O'Reilly).... if for no other reason than it's totally unbecoming to do so... and I don't like the way he puts down most of his callers...

But, like I said, when he's coherent he makes a lot of points worth listening to, particularly his lessons on medieval history. Since most schools choose not to teach anything beyond the 20th century I think we need someone who takes the time to give some history lessons, just wish he'd take his meds more often.

271 posted on 11/29/2005 8:57:51 AM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: mastercylinder
This article is probably true on Tuesdays and Thursdays. On the other days of the week Savage is a "Bushbot". There is no consistency in his message.
272 posted on 11/29/2005 9:05:30 AM PST by Busywhiskers ("...moral principle, the sine qua non of an orderly society." --Judge Edith H. Jones)
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To: Busywhiskers
You pointed out one element I've heard in Savage, there seems to be an inconsistency. Some days, he's really touting Bush. Other days, he sounds like he's Howard Dean's best friend.

Like someone else pointed out, there are things I like and dislike about his show. I do like his humor, life stories and even his comments about food, travel, etc. I do know he is number 3 in the nation of syndicated talk show hosts. His ratings would fall, I believe, if Mark Levin's show on WABC should become nationally syndicated.

273 posted on 11/29/2005 1:02:30 PM PST by stratman1969 (CLINTON LIED - 3,000+ DIED)
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To: Walkin Man
Today, Savage is right on target. Give 72 hours then destroy the Sunni Triangle.

Except that should have been done 2 years ago.

We keep trying to fight this war without hurting civilians. Why. We didn't have a problem in WW2 and lo and behold we won that one.

Savage hit a home run with " Today, Bush has become LBJ and Rummy has become McNamara"

No more blood for Islam. No more propping up a country whose constitution states " No Law shall Contradict Islam".

If they want OUR Billions and OUR BLOOD they must do it OUR WAY!
274 posted on 12/02/2005 3:32:50 PM PST by TomasUSMC (FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM.)
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To: Jigsaw John

The question Limbaugh nor Hennity will ask President Bush:

Mr. President, if the Iraqi elections bring forth a government that is Islamic, anti-American and pro-Iranian in character (60 percent Shiite in Iraq, 80 percent Shiite in Iran), as seems likely, with already in Southern Iraq, Sharia law having been imposed in many parts. How does this correspond with your stated desire to democratize Iraq?


275 posted on 12/02/2005 3:59:38 PM PST by TomasUSMC (FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM.)
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To: All

Savage predicted Bush would win 2004 52-48 - only 1 point off.


276 posted on 01/04/2006 8:43:52 PM PST by jamesm51
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To: jdm

I think that mike savage is one of the brave men in our society who speaks the truth. I respect and love mike savage.

Ann Wells


277 posted on 10/19/2007 2:51:51 PM PDT by ancecilbon
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