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To: cogitator
As the data become more solid about the atmospheric conditions of the past, it's becoming increasingly clear that the current conditions of the past 200 years are a distinct anomaly, Brook said. "The levels of primary greenhouse gases such as methane, carbon dioxide and nitrous oxide are up dramatically since the Industrial Revolution, at a speed and magnitude that the Earth has not seen in hundreds of thousands of years," Brook said. "There is now no question this is due to human influence."

Hmm, it does not make sense. 200 years ago the industry produced gases were a tiny fraction of what is today and even smaller fraction of what volcanoes spit out. Also in the past few thousands of years there were warmer periods than today.

I will worry about global warming when Greenland is a green land again.

14 posted on 11/29/2005 1:09:03 PM PST by A. Pole (Mandarin Meng-tzu: "The duty of the ruler is to ensure the prosperous livelihood of his subjects.")
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To: A. Pole

" . . . it does not make sense. 200 years ago the industry produced gases were a tiny fraction of what is today . . "

You are almost certainly correct, but I wouldn't be surprised if the terribly inefficient wood/coal/peat burning back then produced similarly amounts of greenhouse gas for comparably little usable energy.

Lots of studies show both Europe and North America actually have MORE trees and forests now than existed when Columbus sailed the ocean blue.

And all the descriptions of old London were basically of a soot-filled nightmare.

That said, I would think you are correct. But I am not sure.


21 posted on 11/29/2005 1:18:46 PM PST by MeanWestTexan (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
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To: A. Pole
Hmm, it does not make sense. 200 years ago the industry produced gases were a tiny fraction of what is today and even smaller fraction of what volcanoes spit out.

Volcanoes produce (on average) about 150 times less CO2 than human industrial (energy-related) processes. They produce a lot more S02, but due to its short lifetime in the atmosphere, cooling effects from volcanic S02 only last a few years after major eruptions.

37 posted on 11/29/2005 2:00:10 PM PST by cogitator
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To: A. Pole
200 years ago the industry produced gases were a tiny fraction of what is today and even smaller fraction of what volcanoes spit out.

Right now, industry produces 10 times more atmosphereic Carbon Dioxide per year than volcanoes do, so pollution has been producing more CO2 than volcanoes for quite some time.

And, of course, volcanoes produce huge amounts of Sulfur Dioxide, which blocks sunlight and cools the earth, so overall volcanic eruptions tend to cool the earth.

42 posted on 11/29/2005 2:06:32 PM PST by Strategerist
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200 years ago we had no weather data. Hell, even 50 years ago our weather data globally was suspect.


49 posted on 11/29/2005 2:17:53 PM PST by Solson (magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.)
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