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Ben Stein - A few respectful thoughts about the war in Iraq. (excellent read)
The American Spectator ^ | 11/21/2005 12:10:11 AM | Ben Stein

Posted on 11/29/2005 6:51:05 PM PST by Former Military Chick

Herewith, admittedly from the safety of the glorious nation called The United States of America, far from Ar-Ramadi, a few respectful thoughts about the war in Iraq:

1.) Conducting the war against al-Qaeda and the terrorists is a major drain on the energies of this administration. It would be a major drain on the energies of any administration. For Special Prosecutor Fitzgerald to be further draining the energies of the administration with his perjury indictment of Scooter Libby would be a matter for the most urgent concern if the charges against Libby were serious. But since by common consent of every serious criminal lawyer I have talked to, they are simply matters of routine politics being made criminal so that Fitzgerald can get on the cover of magazines -- this is scandalous. That is, to bring perjury charges over a matter where there is no underlying crime is always considered highly questionable behavior by a prosecutor. But to do so against an official helping to wage a war is almost unbelievable. The comparison that comes to mind is a DA indicting a soldier fighting in Iraq on an old speeding ticket. Prosecutors have wide latitude to bring or not bring charges. For Mr. Fitzgerald to have such poor judgment as to weaken and enervate the only government we have over a total triviality that will almost certainly turn out not to be a crime is an abuse of prosecutorial discretion on a dismaying scale. It would be different (but not much) in peacetime. But in wartime, it is so bad that it unnerves the mind.

I am sure that Mr. Fitzgerald, like all of us, wants to be a good citizen and wants to do his job. I am also certain that he likes being famous. That's human nature. But what he is doing (I am sure not in intent, but in effect) is a great service to Abu-Musad al-Zarqawi and Osama bin Laden, and a great disservice to his country and to the law. It is not too late for him to drop the charges, dignify himself and his office, and go back to prosecuting criminals. I cannot believe this man would, if he thought about it, want to spend one iota of his energy helping the enemies of this country, but in my humble opinion, that's just what he's doing. I may be wrong.

2.) It is not just a guess, but a certainty that if the U.S. were to abruptly withdraw from Iraq, as the Democrats are urging us to do, there would be a bloodbath in Iraq far worse than what we have seen so far. There would be outright civil war, large scale massacres of civilian populations beyond what we have seen by an order of magnitude, and a Middle East in chaos as Iran, the Kurds, and the Sunnis fought it out for land and oil and power. The word of the United States would be mud. Is this really what the Democrats want? Can they really contemplate with calm equanimity the mass murders that will follow a sudden U.S. withdrawal?

I see a frightening pattern here: the Democrats wanted us out of Vietnam, and never mind the genocide that followed. The Democrats want us out of Iraq and never mind that the Baathists will fill the vacuum and all Iraq will be screaming in pain except the murderers, who will exult -- especially Osama bin Laden. Can it be that the Democrats really want to surrender to the same man who killed 3,000 civilians on 9/11 and laughed about it? Are we so weak that in only four years, after a war smaller in casualties than many unknown battles of the Civil War, we are already eager to surrender to the man who murdered women and children and made terrified couples hold hands and leap to their deaths from the World Trade Center? If so, there really is little hope for us as a people. My prayer is that careful reflection will convince the Democrats that while we are all unhappy about the war, war is hell, and surrender is far worse. Maybe the Copperheads in the Democrat party, like those who wanted appeasement of the slave owners one hundred and forty years ago, will be a minority, and those who want to keep up the fight for human decency will prevail even as the Neville Chamberlains speak of peace at any price.

3.) I have a voluminous correspondence with soldiers and Marines in Iraq. To a man and woman, they do not want to walk away and make their comrades' deaths meaningless. They hate the war. They hate the dying. They grieve. So do their families. But they believe in their mission and they do not want their brothers' losses to be in vain. Their voices should be listened to.

4.) Insurgencies by highly motivated people are extremely hard to stamp out. This is especially true in Arab countries, where bravery is fanatically motivated by religion and personal unhappiness. But suppressing rebellions has been done in Egypt, Algeria, and Israel. It takes a lot of ugliness to do it. This is war, especially guerrilla war. It is horrible that we are in this kind of war, but we are in it, and it will never be won except by the most severe means. Whatever we do, however, it will be nothing compared with the firebombing of Tokyo, the carpet bombing of every German city, the atom bomb on Hiroshima. That is the awful truth: wars are won by horrific measures. It is deeply tragic, but it's true. If we are not willing to adopt strict measures, we will not and cannot win.

It is all very sad. But Saddam Hussein was even sadder and more atrocious, the Stalin of the Middle East, and for all of the pain of Iraq -- and it is terrifying -- progress is being made.

5.) There is no end to the gratitude we must feel towards the men and women fighting this war, and their families. As Thanksgiving approaches, our number one task is to be thankful we still have brave men and women ready to sacrifice all for our lazy fat selves and our freedoms. Let us not use that freedom to betray their sacrifice.


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While it is important to be thankful on Thanksgiving, his words remind us to be thankful each and everyday for the sacrifices of our American troops.
1 posted on 11/29/2005 6:51:06 PM PST by Former Military Chick
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To: over3Owithabrain; Luddite Patent Counsel; SF Republican; steveo; CitizenM; ModelBreaker; ...

PING


2 posted on 11/29/2005 6:52:16 PM PST by Former Military Chick (I salute all our Vets, those who walked before me and all those who walk after me.)
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To: Former Military Chick
It is not just a guess, but a certainty that if the U.S. were to abruptly withdraw from Iraq, as the Democrats are urging us to do, there would be a bloodbath in Iraq far worse than what we have seen so far...Is this really what the Democrats want? Can they really contemplate with calm equanimity the mass murders that will follow a sudden U.S. withdrawal?

I don't think the Dems can think beyond their own congressional boundaries or beyond the next election cycle. "Freedom" is a foreign concept to them, anyway.

Thanks for yet another excellent Ben Stein ping.

3 posted on 11/29/2005 6:54:42 PM PST by Choose Ye This Day (Win the war. Confirm the judges. Cut the taxes. Control the spending. Secure the border.)
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To: Choose Ye This Day

As you know I think so highly of his writings. So when there is an opportunity to share it and discuss his points on a subject it really does make for an enjoyable thread.

Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts, I do enjoy reading them.


4 posted on 11/29/2005 6:57:31 PM PST by Former Military Chick (I salute all our Vets, those who walked before me and all those who walk after me.)
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To: Former Military Chick

Ben Stein is a great American


5 posted on 11/29/2005 6:58:41 PM PST by MJY1288 (THE DEMOCRATS OFFER NOTHING FOR THE FUTURE AND THEY LIE ABOUT THE PAST)
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To: Former Military Chick

I'd like to draft Ben Stein for President.

The man always makes sense and does so in a manner everyone can understand.

None of us can understand what the hell Fitzgerald thinks he is doing. If Fitzgerald were smart he would arrest Joe Wilson.


6 posted on 11/29/2005 6:59:18 PM PST by sgtbono2002
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To: Former Military Chick
Please add me to your Stein Ping list if you have one,

Thanks in advance

7 posted on 11/29/2005 7:00:00 PM PST by MJY1288 (THE DEMOCRATS OFFER NOTHING FOR THE FUTURE AND THEY LIE ABOUT THE PAST)
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To: Former Military Chick

Thank you. I love Ben. He's on my short list of people with which I'd like to spend an evening chatting.


8 posted on 11/29/2005 7:01:56 PM PST by pops88
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To: Former Military Chick

I've always liked him; he is one of the smartest people we have on our side, but doesn't get the credit he deserves from people who only know him as an actor. I'm going to print this out and tack it on bulletin boards at school for the douchebag liberals to (possibly) read.


9 posted on 11/29/2005 7:02:41 PM PST by MadManDan
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To: Former Military Chick

Im old enough to remember Ben before Buhler's day off. He's always smarter than everyone else around him. He'd have my vote if he ran for office.


10 posted on 11/29/2005 7:02:46 PM PST by DogBarkTree
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To: Former Military Chick

A very good read. And it just so happens that many in the Middle East are giving thanks, more and more, for what our brave men and women are doing. This link also provides some interesting observations on things stirring in the Arab street: http://www.economist.com/world/displaystory.cfm?story_id=5213863


11 posted on 11/29/2005 7:04:14 PM PST by PerConPat (A politician is an animal which can sit on a fence and yet keep both ears to the ground.-- Mencken)
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To: Former Military Chick

Met Ben at the National Pro-Life Federation banquet several years ago in NYC - he was the keynote speaker - what a super guy...and to think he would give time at a pro-life affair in the middle of liberal New York City - his attitude was simply that he didn't care what any of his fellow Hollywood people thought of him...he knows what is right and he will take the rap for his beliefs - a truly honorable Jewish man. Love him.


12 posted on 11/29/2005 7:07:10 PM PST by Luker
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To: Former Military Chick

A good read. thanks.


13 posted on 11/29/2005 7:08:07 PM PST by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: PerConPat

Yep, the ordinary people of Iraq know damned well if we leave they'll all be rounded up and disposed of just like in the holocaust. They're not stupid, and the liberals are either too dumb to realize that will happen or they truly are heartless jerks. Of course, we know that they are both of those things.


14 posted on 11/29/2005 7:16:05 PM PST by MadManDan
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To: Lakeshark

I am glad you enjoyed it.


15 posted on 11/29/2005 7:19:06 PM PST by Former Military Chick (I salute all our Vets, those who walked before me and all those who walk after me.)
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To: StarCMC

Support the Troops......Ping!


16 posted on 11/29/2005 7:19:58 PM PST by BIGLOOK (I once opposed keelhauling but recently have come to my senses.)
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To: Lakeshark

He is correct....we need to get this out to the public...we know the MSM will not promote this kind of thinking...they WANT us to lose...


17 posted on 11/29/2005 7:23:51 PM PST by Youngman442002
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To: Former Military Chick
Words have meaning. The War in Iraq was over in less that 60 days! It took us abit longer to capture Saddam and his rogue followers.

The War on Terror continues. In Iraq, Jordan, Indonesia, London, Madrid, etc etc we continue the fight and we have no choice but to win since "failure is not an option!"

I am rereading the book "Patton" by Ladislag Farago and it is interesting to see Patton's take on war and its connection to our Democracy! We've seen the video where Patton's opening speech in the movie is edited to be current in today's environment.

HoHah!

18 posted on 11/29/2005 7:24:22 PM PST by Young Werther
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To: Former Military Chick
There would be outright civil war, large scale massacres of civilian populations beyond what we have seen by an order of magnitude, and a Middle East in chaos as Iran, the Kurds, and the Sunnis fought it out for land and oil and power. The word of the United States would be mud. Is this really what the Democrats want?

Some of them, yes. That is precisely what they want. It would serve to tear Bush down and enervate the foreign policy of the United States. That is absolutely what they want because in their view it serves a favored historical progression and a set of "higher" ideals, and if such things go wrong it's OK because their intentions were sound. It is a credo of self-deluders and fools, and it has been in power before and it will be again, and the only issue is how much damage it can do until again it is thrown from office. These days that can be quite a lot.

20 posted on 11/29/2005 7:26:33 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: MissyMa; CovenBuster

Stein ping!


21 posted on 11/29/2005 7:30:57 PM PST by DesertDreamer ("I don't believe in a government that protects us from ourselves." - Ronald Reagan)
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To: PerConPat
Thanks for the interesting link. I posted it here:
Unfamiliar questions in the Arab air
23 posted on 11/29/2005 7:31:41 PM PST by Ooh-Ah
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To: Former Military Chick

It's simple, really.

The Dem's want power at ANY price.

Any consequences will be assigned to Republicans.

No lie is too foul.
And the MSM will present the lie wrapped in chocolate and ribbon.


24 posted on 11/29/2005 7:33:41 PM PST by G Larry (Only strict constructionists on the Supreme Court!)
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Image hosted by Photobucket.com you've GOT to be kidding... try google
25 posted on 11/29/2005 7:34:21 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist ©®)
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SAVE


26 posted on 11/29/2005 7:39:07 PM PST by krunkygirl
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To: Former Military Chick

Just remember what John Kerry told David Frost several decades ago when Frost asked what the human cost would be if the US pulled out of Vietnam. Kerry responded that about 5,000 people would die. He was 700-fold from the reality. The anti-war crowd has learned nothing and it's disgusting (and ironic in a way) that they can be so uncaring about human life.


27 posted on 11/29/2005 7:39:10 PM PST by gotribe (Hillary: Accessory to Rape)
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To: Chode

He's already been deleted twice, including the one to which you're replying. In thinking of felons, he must have been thinking of Bill Clinton...Marc Rich...Sandy Burglar...


28 posted on 11/29/2005 7:39:46 PM PST by Christian4Bush ("Cowards cut and run: Marines never do." And I do NOT wish to revise or extend my remarks.)
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To: Former Military Chick
Thank you very much for the read. I also respect the man.

From pookie18 Today's Toons this morning (sad that it's so obvious as to who cuts where)...


29 posted on 11/29/2005 7:42:52 PM PST by easonc52
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To: PerConPat

Thanks for the link. A good read.


30 posted on 11/29/2005 7:45:25 PM PST by Irish Eyes
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub

A refreshing read.


31 posted on 11/29/2005 7:49:19 PM PST by amom
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To: Luker

Ben is very knowledgable and entertaining. I wish we had men like him in our government. We seem to attract just the opposite to our leadership.


32 posted on 11/29/2005 7:49:36 PM PST by Lewite (Praise YAHWEH and Proclaim His Wonderful Name, His Son Yahshua Messiah is coming soon!)
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To: Former Military Chick

Awesome read!


33 posted on 11/29/2005 7:51:45 PM PST by GloriaJane (http://music.download.com/gloriajane "Merry Christmas To Our Troops In Iraq (My Hero's)")
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To: Former Military Chick

Well said.


34 posted on 11/29/2005 7:54:52 PM PST by McGavin999 (Reporters write the truth, Journalists write stories.)
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To: Christian4Bush
Image hosted by Photobucket.com and no ZOT??? he got off eazy... 8^)
35 posted on 11/29/2005 8:23:19 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist ©®)
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To: Former Military Chick

Democrats cannot win if the Iraq war is a success. They must undermine it anyway they can using liberal minions like Fitzpatrick. Mr. Stein would be an excellent write in candidate for President. I know... only in my dreams.


36 posted on 11/29/2005 8:30:57 PM PST by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: Jo Nuvark

If your in the east, or central times zones, Ben is on the nationally syndicated radio show Loveline co-hosting. He's halarious.


37 posted on 11/29/2005 8:34:57 PM PST by RHINO369
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To: easonc52

LMFAO!


38 posted on 11/29/2005 8:38:31 PM PST by Christian4Bush ("Cowards cut and run: Marines never do." And I do NOT wish to revise or extend my remarks.)
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To: Former Military Chick

Thanks Chicky, this read made my day!


39 posted on 11/29/2005 8:48:56 PM PST by Candor7 (Into Liberal Flatulence Goes the Hope of the West)
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To: Candor7

And, now, Valerie Pflame is retiring from the CIA to raise her twins. I think she went back to work for a month or two. Moving to the toniet suburb of Santa Barbara? Is there a fed pen, there?


40 posted on 11/29/2005 8:56:42 PM PST by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: ClaireSolt

Oh Yeah! Plame is about two inches from the edge of being fired anyway. And about 10 inches from a treason charge.
Retire into ignominy Valerie! Her major problem is she's only a half inch from Joe Wilson.( LOL)

These buffoons will go down in history as two of the most major dufusses of the decade.


41 posted on 11/29/2005 9:08:23 PM PST by Candor7 (Into Liberal Flatulence Goes the Hope of the West)
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To: Former Military Chick

Stein's droll humor is a crafty fade to his surprising intellect. His insight is an arrow which splits the Democrats' grievous deceptions. After his analysis, I can see my own feelings about our men and women's sacrifice in the face of these scoundrels' self serving lies, in a much better light. Stein for Senator... that would really shake things up!


42 posted on 11/29/2005 9:49:56 PM PST by krinkrayyado (Huguenot in my church)
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To: Christian4Bush

Glad you got a kick out of it as I did - plenty of political toons every weekday morning, collected by pookie18, in Today's Toons (search if you haven't been there before, and he has a ping list).


43 posted on 11/29/2005 9:55:14 PM PST by easonc52
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To: jan in Colorado

Ping


44 posted on 11/29/2005 10:22:47 PM PST by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Former Military Chick

Thanks for the ping. Ben's clarity is refreshing and right on target.


45 posted on 11/29/2005 10:35:26 PM PST by Rabble (Just When is John F sKerry going to release his USNR military records ?)
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To: Former Military Chick

Bump for later review


46 posted on 11/30/2005 1:37:01 AM PST by stevem
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To: Former Military Chick

VERY nice. Thanks!

BUMP!!!


47 posted on 11/30/2005 3:08:11 AM PST by Seadog Bytes (“The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion.”—Edmund Burke)
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To: Former Military Chick
The Democrats want us out of Iraq and never mind that the Baathists will fill the vacuum and all Iraq will be screaming in pain except the murderers, who will exult -- especially Osama bin Laden. Can it be that the Democrats really want to surrender to the same man who killed 3,000 civilians on 9/11 and laughed about it? Are we so weak that in only four years, after a war smaller in casualties than many unknown battles of the Civil War, we are already eager to surrender to the man who murdered women and children and made terrified couples hold hands and leap to their deaths from the World Trade Center? If so, there really is little hope for us as a people.

Isn't this precisely what the Democrats want?

48 posted on 11/30/2005 3:55:24 AM PST by stevem
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To: RHINO369

Do you have a link for streaming audio?


49 posted on 11/30/2005 4:14:10 AM PST by jslade ("We're surrounded. That simplifies the problem."- "Chesty" Puller, USMC)
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To: Former Military Chick

I'd like to add #6:

If America and the West don't fight and defeat Islamofascism in Iraq and the middle East, the Islamofascists will nuke New York City and Washington DC and other American cities off the map as soon as they can.

As far as I'm concerned, that's the main reason to fight the Islamofascists.


50 posted on 11/30/2005 6:25:46 AM PST by garyhope (.)
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