[Alia]

Bottom line, the conservatives of California screwed themselves last election and they can not blame this on Arnold, Bush or the Easter Bunny.

Good luck trying to explain that to people who'd rather spend their hours railing about who or what is a "real" conservative. Been there. Been there for many years.

These propositions were the opportunity for change that conservatives keep whining for and they didn't show, so they were all lost.

I used to know what I thought CA conserv/Repubs wanted. I was smack dab in the middle of a brawl between two pals fighting over Mr. Parsky, years back. I wanted them to both shut up and get to work. But instead it turned into a battle of the "genuine" vision thing. CA Dems have been chasing "business" out of CA for going on 15 years now. We know what the "agenda" in doing that is, and so Arnold offered some proposition which would put a ding into that, in a way, that some just can't see. There's just no pleasing some people, A CA Guy. Thanks for listening to my rant here. I knew this frustration there, and I know it yet in re CA. Government will continue to grow in CA. Private business will continue its decline. This past "special election" gave voters the choice of which they choose -- work for unions or rebuild the economy and base.

Let me tell you what I tell people here in NC... they love Los Angeles. I say, that's good. They fear San Francisco. I say, that's wise. The last bastion of voting "sanity" remains in the south State and along the eastern borders of CA.

Every conservative/Repub should *live* in the SF Bay Area, awhile -- they'd never not vote for their guy, and his special initiatives, ever again.

[A CA Guy]

The basic rule of thumb is that all areas that are not a major urban area are conservative, and big cities are all Democrat.

If you check out looking into that, it pretty much is the case not only in CA, but throughout the country.

We have some dumb conservatives here in CA. As you say, some who only believe in the purest views they have.
As an ideal, I agree with them, but in practice, every battle is won in steps, not all in one major war or vote.

Arnold is good in that he can bring businesses back.
He pit the political ball on the tee for Republicans to take back this state and we were pathetic in the challenge.

I guess we may have to go bankrupt as a state before even Republicans will bother in large numbers to vote.
As long as their own life is comfortable and are ignorant of the facts, they won't vote more than they need to, it's more important to go to Taco Bell!