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A Clue to Solving Illegal Immigration Problem.
November 30, 2005 | Bob Haran

Posted on 11/30/2005 1:22:19 AM PST by Bob Haran

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To: Marine Inspector
We have no documented case of terrorists sneaking across the southern border.

Trust me, we do.

Links? World Nut Daily doesn't count I have read their stuff, and it is "proof" along the lines of John Stormer and Gary Allen in "None Dare Call it Conspiracy." I don't mean innuendo, vague hints, and baseless accusations with a few "this might be happening if this happens." I mean documented cases, open for inspection.

41 posted on 11/30/2005 7:13:09 PM PST by chronic_loser (Handle provided free of charge as flame bait for the neurally vacant.)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael
I am against "guest worker" but I would be willing to give a form of legal status like PRUCOL for ILLEGALs (excluding criminals) to get "right" or leave. Couple that with strict enforcement of our immigration laws and let the world know we mean it.

Our views are closer than you might think. Definitely closer than I thought. I am not sure I would "not blame the illegals." It is not as though they were unaware of the laws when they jumped the border. I just believe (as you seem to) the ONLY solution and/or punishment for them being here illegally is not to deport them. Hell, posession of less than an oz of marijuana is a fine in CA. Many violations of the law are settled by fines. Why not take the "good" ones ----easily proveable..., are you a disease vector, can you prove continual employment, have you been convicted of a felony or anything more serious than xxxxx, do you understand that issuance of a visa is yearly and contingent on filing annual tax returns, and do you understand that you have NO rights to any state/federal income transferrance or subsidy programs?--- and let them pay a 10 thousand dollar fine for being here illegally in the first place (they did jump line, after all) and stay. Makes a lot more sense than a guest worker program, and it does not amount to "amnesty." You pay your debt to society and we are all better off. It won't fly on Free Republic, but I believe it would across the nation.

42 posted on 11/30/2005 7:30:35 PM PST by chronic_loser (Handle provided free of charge as flame bait for the neurally vacant.)
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To: chronic_loser
I mean documented cases, open for inspection.

Do you actually believe the Government would release this information to the public? Do you understand the ramifications?

Now I know what you’re thinking. You're thinking I'm full of it. Not unexpected.

Just do some basic math and read between the lines in the news around the net.

We, and by that I mean CBP and I, as I work for CBP along the US/Mexico border, apprehend close to a million illegal aliens each year. Before 9/11, that number was 1.5 million each year. If we are lucky, we catch half of those attempting to cross. In reality it’s closer to 20% or less although that number is slowly increasing.

Basic common sense does not allow anyone to believe poor uneducated dirt farmers can easily sneak into the country but not a trained terrorist. In the years since 9/11, between 2 and 3 million, if not more, people have gotten into the US undetected from Mexico.

Now, out of the 2 to 3 million apprehensions we have made along the US/Mexico border, is there a documented case, open for inspection for each of those individuals? Why do you think that is? Is it because the press does not care or is it because we, as in CBP/Fed Govt, don’t report everything we do to the press?

Now lets move away from the illegal movement between our legal ports of entries and talk about those points of entry.

Again, the CBP Officers at the dozens of Ports of Entry along the US/Mexican apprehend tens of thousands of people attempting to enter the US with counterfeit documents. Are there documented cases, open for inspection, for each of those individuals? Why?

World Nut Daily doesn't count

Don’t count out any source. There is an element of truth in all the stories, it just a matter of finding out what that element is the truth and what may be embellished. WND has some very good and highly reliable sources.

Now you can go on believing that terrorists have never crossed our southern border and no terrorist or persons with terrorists ties has been apprehended, but you would be fooling yourself and deep down you know it’s possible.

Let me ask you a question. Do you know who Sibel Edmonds is? If you don’t you might want to read up on her. If you do; do you think she’s telling the truth or lying? If she is lying, why is the Federal Government doing everything it can to keep her quite?

As for me, I live in a border state and make a living stopping the bad guys from coming in, but you’re probably right, I don’t know anything and this is just all BS.

43 posted on 11/30/2005 8:32:02 PM PST by Marine Inspector (Government is not the solution to our problem; Government is the problem)
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To: Marine Inspector
Let me ask you a question. Do you know who Sibel Edmonds is?

Wbew boy! Thought you might be rational before that one!

I would love to interact with you, but I have real important work to do, investigating the perpetual energy machines "they" bought up the patents on, and the alien spaceship "they" have out on some afb in Nevada, and the Bilderbergers and the CFR and the Trilateralists and the Bavarian Illumanati and the black helicopters and all that. It is really simple to get the connections. The average man in the street just doesn't get it because "they" don't want him to see it. Sibel Edmonds is a heroic lone voice who bravely demonstrates that GEORGE BUSH is the instigator of the 9/11 "crashes." Yep, the US Gov't (the CIA, probably) did it. And you want to know the wildest thing? It is ALL right there in Revelationisms in the Bible. Yep. I saw it in a special about Notre Damus. He wrote that if you add up the numbers of all the letters of the first chapter you get a total of 1546!!!! That was the address of the PO Box of that secret Fraternity Bush was in at Yale, and it is the EXACT HEADING of the plane that crashed into the towers!!!! Coincidence? Hah! WE know better! It is all there if they could open their eyes and see it. But they won't. It is all those chemicals they put in our drinking water, I think. I quit drinking anything but strained double purified water helioptically somniferied water some time ago. I have been able to think much clearer on these things since, and I can see it all. (Plus, for some reason those radio transmissions THEY beamed in through my tooth fillings just stopped! Amazing, ain't it?)

Hey, though, I am serious. You could get in BIG trouble over this. PLEASE don't post anything else about the government being behind 9/11. THEY are always listening, you know. THEY watch these boards, and you may have already compromised yourself simply by stating that YOU KNOW!!!! You might need to go DEEP UNDERGROUND from these boards now that THEY know about you. But then, who would catch the bad guys for us at the border????? Oh, the choices one must make sometimes!

44 posted on 11/30/2005 9:31:46 PM PST by chronic_loser (Handle provided free of charge as flame bait for the neurally vacant.)
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To: chronic_loser
I'll be the first to admit that my view (about PRUCOL) is a bit idealistic.

The facts are IMO business wants an endless supply of "cheap," taxpayer subsidized labor. (Don't ya just hate government interference in business?)

Source countries want the remittances.

Unions want the new members. Ditto neighborhood Catholic churches. Ditto the "immigrant" rights industry.

Internationalists want to redistribute wealth (goes along with "free trade;" i.e., free tradin' technology, wealth, and jobs to developing countries).

Smugglers want the business but may be willing to become legal temporary employment agencies under a "guest worker" program.

Politicians want donations.

The alternative to ILLEGAL / "undocumented" workers is sending jobs chasing "cheap" labor offshore; but millions of jobs cannot be sent offshore. Thus ILLEGAL / "guest" workers will always be with us. You can call it either. It's the same.

It's a done deal. The Fat Elvis has sung and left the building.

45 posted on 11/30/2005 9:40:31 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (Move over Henny Youngman.. please! "The most trusted news source." CNN)
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To: chronic_loser

Well, it' apparent you know nothing about what Sibel is doing.

She's not trying to say the Government is behind 9/11, she's trying to expose information that the Government is keeping information from the public.

And believe me, it is.

If you don't believe Sibel, then you can't believe Abel Danger.

Have a great life and keep right on believing the MSM.


46 posted on 12/01/2005 8:11:03 AM PST by Marine Inspector (Government is not the solution to our problem; Government is the problem)
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To: Marine Inspector

Well, it' apparent you know nothing about what Sibel is doing.

She's not trying to say the Government is behind 9/11, she's trying to expose information that the Government is keeping information from the public.

And believe me, it is.

If you don't believe Sibel, then you can't believe Abel Danger.


AMEN!


47 posted on 12/01/2005 9:26:42 AM PST by WatchingInAmazement ("Nothing is more expensive than cheap labor," prof. Vernon Briggs, labor economist Cornell Un.)
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To: chronic_loser
Deporting would cost US money, they simply walk back, nothing to loose. Do a background check and legalize the good ones. Deport bad ones immediately. Cost of legalizing should be fully paid by immigrant plus a yearly fine and recheck. No benefits and not eligible for citizenship for at least 25 yrs. This way we know who is here and where.
48 posted on 12/09/2005 10:07:19 AM PST by atlantis2000
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To: Bob Haran

REVOKE AUTOMATIC CITIZENSHIP to those born to illegal aliens. and make sure that the new border fence stretches the entire southern border.


49 posted on 12/20/2005 1:06:16 PM PST by UglyinLA
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