I'm actually hoping that Doyle vetoes this bill.
They're doing it in MN.
Carry and break no laws.
I'm not entirely happy with it, but it's working.
Well, that's some BS. On the other hand, it's my understanding that WI is one of the few states that currently doesn't permit 2nd Amendment rights under any circumstances. If that's correct, maybe a compromise (with evil) is better than the alternative?
Actually, the article states that the compromise was made to get the police groups on their side. Doyle has constantly said that he will veto this bill. But hopefully this time around the legislature will have enough votes to override Doyle's veto.
Why don't they pass a law to see if you're a legal citizen or have a permit to be here?!?
Check all you want, but there is no law that requires anyone to drive a car they own. Set up an LLC (preferably in another state) and the cops will be as clueless as if you were a crook with a gun and no permit.
Any cop afraid of an armed law-abiding citizen should not be on the job.
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What do police have to fear from responsible law abiding gun owners? Now, what responsible, law abiding gun owners have to fear from police, that could be another discussion.
"There is absolutely no need for any police officers to run background checks on concealed-carry permit holders"
They won't be running background checks on CCW holders. This just allows them to see if the person the vehicle is registered to has a CCW permit.
It's a feel good / do nothing amendment, designed to gain political support. There's no telling when you run a tag before you approach if the owner is the one driving. Or if it's a criminal who's stolen the car and it hasn't been reported yet.
It does nothing for officer safety, but it keeps a couple of police groups from objecting to the bill, which makes it more likely the veto would be overturned.
"I'm actually hoping that Doyle vetoes this bill."
Well, he will. But are you hoping the veto is upheld? That would be foolish.
The concealed carry bill sucks. Too much training time, too many restrictions.
However, it's better than what wisconsin has now.
Likely it will be vetoed, which will be fodder for 2006. But adding something like this makes an override of that veto more likely.
Once it gets passed, and there's a republican governor in place, restrictions can be removed and training time can be lowered to something that isn't so ridiculous. But you need to get the foot in the door first, so they can come back and say "we've had CCW for a year and it's been great, now we need to improve it".
If you want a perfect bill, there's no chance your going to get it at this time.
Oh, great.....coming to Oregon soon, I'm sure.....where you're not allowed to Carry if you don't have a CARRY PERMIT in THEIR STATE! (We live in WA and have permits here, but go to Oregon often.....carrying.)
LEOs have NOTHING to fear from armed, law-abiding citizens.
However, it IS nice to know that the guy you just pulled over is packing - but there is no need to run a check on every vehicle you pull over.
When I get pulled over by a fellow LEO (it happens fairly regularly; I have a heavy foot), I roll down the window, put both hands on the window ledge and announce that I have a concealed firearm. I then go on to state that I have a CCW and am a member of LE.
Forewarned is forearmed.
I have never seen any statistics of action against police by drivers of cars who are stopped and have a concealed weapons permit. Maybe that is because the statistics are rare. Why else aren't they used?
And when the officer does find a permit, then what?
Granted Virginia is a lot more gun friendly than WI, but I don't see this as a show stopper. If you don't like the bill I would say take it, and work on getting it changed during subsequent legislative sessions. That is how we do it here and have been quite sucessful at it.
Also, if you do not have a state Conceal Carry lobbying group like the VCDL here in Virginia, I suggest it is past time to get one organized.
That won't work in Missouri. In that state one may carry a concealed firearm in one's auto without a permit. It is part of the concealed carry law.
All that is required is to be a resident of the state, be twenty one years of age and not be a felon or a mental case.
They already do this in Virginia and the policeman who spoke to our CCW class told us that he would run the numbers on the gun to see if it was legal (not stolen).
GREAT RELATED WEBSITE: http://www.packing.org/
Gives lots of state by state gun law information....
Hope no one has made this point, but if I were a cop, I'd find this useful. If the car operator turned out to have a CCL, I'd think "OK, this is one of the good guys" and be less apprehensive approaching the car. No CCL, I'd be more alert. Hard core crooks don't get CCLs...