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To: Question_Assumptions
SETI assumes, without any existing evidence, that extraterrestrial intillgence may exist. In order to find evidence of such ET intelligence, they look for evidence of signals which have characteristics that would distinguish the artificial from the natural. ID assumes, without any existing evidence, that a creator of some sort may exist. In order to find evidence of such a creator, they look for evidence of pheonemna or features of life or the universe that would distinguish the created phoneomna from the natural.

SETI has made a number of advance predictions about the sort of as-yet-undetected signal that would reflect intelligent creation rather than natural origin (e.g. the distinction between a broad-spectrum and a narrow-band signal described in the above article). ID has made a number of after-the-fact assertions about already-known natural phenomena (e.g. the claim that the probability of existing macromolecules forming is unreasonably low, even over an entire planet and billions of years).

The difference is equivalent to that between painting a target on a wall and shooting a bullet through the bulls-eye and shooting a bullet through a wall and painting a bulls-eye around the hole.

46 posted on 12/02/2005 11:05:45 AM PST by steve-b (A desire not to butt into other people's business is eighty percent of all human wisdom)
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To: steve-b
The difference is equivalent to that between painting a target on a wall and shooting a bullet through the bullseye and shooting a bullet through a wall and painting a bullseye around the hole.

That's a bullseye

48 posted on 12/02/2005 11:09:04 AM PST by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: steve-b
The difference is equivalent to that between painting a target on a wall and shooting a bullet through the bulls-eye and shooting a bullet through a wall and painting a bulls-eye around the hole.

Also known as the "Texas Sharpshooter Fallacy"....

50 posted on 12/02/2005 11:17:29 AM PST by longshadow
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To: steve-b
The difference is equivalent to that between painting a target on a wall and shooting a bullet through the bulls-eye and shooting a bullet through a wall and painting a bulls-eye around the hole.

A good way of stating an important point - I'll have to remember it.

54 posted on 12/02/2005 11:35:37 AM PST by Ophiucus
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To: steve-b
ID has made a number of after-the-fact assertions about already-known natural phenomena

If SETI ever gets a supposed artificial signal, they will being making the same assumed assertions. Just like the evolutionists have been doing for years.

SETI = waste of money.

74 posted on 12/02/2005 12:50:28 PM PST by aimhigh
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To: steve-b
SETI has made a number of advance predictions about the sort of as-yet-undetected signal that would reflect intelligent creation rather than natural origin (e.g. the distinction between a broad-spectrum and a narrow-band signal described in the above article). ID has made a number of after-the-fact assertions about already-known natural phenomena (e.g. the claim that the probability of existing macromolecules forming is unreasonably low, even over an entire planet and billions of years).

ID also makes advance predictions about the sort of as-yet-undetected biological features might reflect intelligent creation ratheer than natural origin (e.g., complex chemical processes that don't provide any benefit if even a single component isn't present would be unlikely to develop as a gradual process). SETI has made a number of guesses based on little or no evidence (e.g., the claim that the probability of intelligent life naturally evolving is high enough, and the number of suitable planets is large enough, that intelligent life must be out there somewhere).

The difference is equivalent to that between painting a target on a wall and shooting a bullet through the bulls-eye and shooting a bullet through a wall and painting a bulls-eye around the hole.

In both cases, we have people trying to paint a target around a wall they can't see or prove exists. In the case of ID, they are trying to define a target called "evidence of non-natural design in life" and in the case of SETI, they are trying to define a target called "evidence of extra-terrestrial intelligence". Neither really knows what for sure what the evidence really looks like because neither of them have any hard evidence, so they are left to guess at what the evidence would look like. Both, ultimately, are looking for evidence of intelligence. As such, both have come to the same conclusion. The best way to look for evidence of intelligence is to look for things that can't be explained by a natural process alone. And in both cases, even if they were to find such evidence, a skeptic could claim that their supposed evidence of intelligence is simply evidence of some unexplained natural phenomena.

Even if the SETI people found a narrow-band signal of the kind described, would it prove extra-terrestrial intelligence to a skeptic? I doubt it. They could simply argue that it was produced by some yet-unexplained natural process. And would they be wrong to do so?

94 posted on 12/02/2005 1:54:28 PM PST by Question_Assumptions
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