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To: WillamShakespeare; sheltonmac; ValenB4
If there is any doubt that the ACLU is helping terrorism, it can`t get anymore obvious than this

So to understand, an organization that (for once) is defending the 4th Amendment to the Constitution is 'helping terrorism'. Right...

'Conservatism' sure has come far hasn't it? Tell me, what exactly wouldn't you sell down the river in your personal quest to feel warm, fuzzy, and safe?

matter of fact I was watching the local news here in NYC one night and they interviewed a bunch of people on the subway who welcomed it.

Considering the idiots in this nation of states that believe everything the government tells them, that sentiment wouldn't suprise me in the least

11 posted on 12/02/2005 10:16:24 PM PST by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: billbears

What are you talking about "What this government tells them"? Try watching people fall out of the WTC on fire like I did and ask me if I give a damn about having my bag searched on the subway. This isn`t about the 4th amendment, it`s about common sense. I find it curious that this same ACLU that is all upset about this bag search seemed to have no problem when Elian Gonzales was kidnapped at gunpoint.


17 posted on 12/02/2005 11:37:14 PM PST by WillamShakespeare
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To: billbears
So to understand, an organization that (for once) is defending the 4th Amendment to the Constitution is 'helping terrorism'.


The ACLU does not care one bit about the 4th Amendment.

The goal is to break down our society. They will take any case that furthers that goal.

To you it appears they are defending the 4th Amendment, to me, they are attempting to take away a tool to fight terrorism.

Think of all the freedoms we have now because of the ACLU. A murderer must be released if the police did not dot every "i" or cross every "t" during the investigation. We are rapidly becoming free of any religion, and it has gotten to the point where a government employee is subject to suit for saying Merry Christmas, or crosses put up to honor fallen police officers must be removed.

The ACLU has brought us the freedom to stand on the corners of public streets, and aggressively "beg" for money. And the freedom to urinate anywhere anytime (if you are the right type of person). And we are free to defecate in business doorways.

Thanks to the ACLU we are free from hearing any traditional Christmas songs at a school performance, we are even free from Christmas, the very mention of the word being forbidden. Yes indeed, the ACLU has certainly expanded the freedoms of the average American.

These are just some of the great freedoms the ACLU has brought us. And now you complain that we have lost the freedom of transporting a bomb on a subway without the possibility of the police having the right to question you or look into your bag.

I can imagine all those killed in London would have preferred a little less of that type of "freedom".

Another name for complete freedom is anarchy. A society for it to work must have certain agreed upon rules. Some rules are laws, and some are just custom, and some are just something we all agree would be nice if we did not do some things in public.

The ACLU attacks these social agreements which breaks down our socity. I don't think I want to live in a "free" society where every person can act out every impulse they have. That would not be a free society, it would be were the strongest rule.

It is not laws that rule in a society, it is the social contract we all agree to. Organizations such as the ACLU want to break those contracts and they will do whatever they can to do it, and sometimes, they will take on a case conservatives may approve of, but remember their goal is not your goal.

23 posted on 12/03/2005 5:23:48 AM PST by CIB-173RDABN
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