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To: Carry_Okie

"I just love getting lectured by the completely clueless."

First off it is you who is coming off as holier than thou. Your utopian goal of how politics should be is commendable yet unrealistic. Politics is about ideas. Unfortunately influence peddling and special interests drives politics and the ideas and will of the people is an afterthought. That is because politicans hide and won't pass laws that will remove them from power after two terms.

I am sorry you have clueless politicians who do not know who they are beholden to. They might try the people of the state that elected them in the first place. Which is what you are preaching to me.

In my state of New Jersey, we don't have term limits. We have criminals for politicians that clueless people continue to elect because the "D" is stapled to their arm.


60 posted on 12/05/2005 6:36:10 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (Liberal Talking Point - Bush = Hitler ... Republican Talking Point - Let the Liberals Talk)
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To: EQAndyBuzz
Your utopian goal of how politics should be is commendable yet unrealistic.

No, it's entirely realistic, as examples from history demonstrate.

Politics is about ideas.

They don't mean squat without pitching them.

Unfortunately influence peddling and special interests drives politics and the ideas and will of the people is an afterthought.

Only because the people aren't motivated. That's the job of leadership. When leaders follow public opinion instead of motivating it, what you get is social democracy.

That is because politicans hide and won't pass laws that will remove them from power after two terms.

Cowardice before the media. Reagan understood how to use them.

I am sorry you have clueless politicians who do not know who they are beholden to.

I don't accept the premise.

In my state of New Jersey, we don't have term limits. We have criminals for politicians that clueless people continue to elect because the "D" is stapled to their arm.

In my state of California we DO have term limits. Our politicians are just as, if not even more crooked, simply because the potential for adverse consequences is greatly reduced. Those few statesmen we had are now gone.

Term limits don't work, which was amply explained in both the Federal convention debate and the Federalist Papers.

61 posted on 12/05/2005 6:55:11 AM PST by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are REALLY stupid.)
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