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Iranian Alert - December 3, 2005 - Ledeen says Bush's Plan for Victory is a Sucker's Game
Regime Change Iran ^ | 12.3.2005 | DoctorZin

Posted on 12/03/2005 11:23:19 PM PST by DoctorZIn

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To: DoctorZIn
I would direct Mr MICHAEL Ledeen to the principle of the bug zapper. Like Iraq, the bug zapper lures bugs in and then kills them. Does anyone ever report how many terrorist have been zapped since the war started?
21 posted on 12/04/2005 1:19:34 AM PST by jonrick46
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To: Justanobody

seems you didnt read the entire article!


22 posted on 12/04/2005 2:16:07 AM PST by F14 Pilot (Democracy is a process not a product)
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To: Justanobody
Actually, he has for several years now called for support for Iranian resistence, and for continuing diplomatic pressure on Syria over Lebanon, but does not demand direct military action on either. He thinks we can be doing a lot more to support Iranian revolutionaries, applying more pressure through trade etc on the Saudis to police their nutjobs, etc.

Personally, I do not see how we can possibly avoid direct military action in the case of Iran. If we sit, which at present is what we are doing, they get nukes. Those nukes will not long remained unused. I understand the political box the president is in, thanks to our domestic traitors leading the left and their merely weak-kneed rank and file. But the Iranian nuclear program won't wait for a US domestic consensus on any of it, which isn't going to appear in our lifetimes.

23 posted on 12/04/2005 5:59:39 AM PST by JasonC
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To: F14 Pilot
It was late and I confess to skimming the latter part of the article. Seems that most posters had the same initial reaction. I have now read it slowly and deliberately. I still do not think much of it. This game of diminishing the President and everything he says and does has gotten very old.

That is why, despite his fine words and his dazzling insight into the nature of the war, President Bush's strategy is not good enough. It leaves the initiative where it has been all along - in the capitals of the terror masters - instead of shifting it where it belongs - in our hands.

If he believes that the US is not actively involved within Iran, then he has no credibility. Why does everyone feel the need to announce to the world, in great detail, every strategy and operation we implement?

I also find his use of the idea that the initiative "belongs in our hands" given the penchant to rail against the US as imperialists. Remember, "Imperial Hubris?" I haven't heard that charge for some time...perhaps he is trying to bring it back to life.

SOTU February 2, 2005 - President George W. Bush:
To promote peace in the broader Middle East, we must confront regimes that continue to harbor terrorists and pursue weapons of mass murder. Syria still allows its territory, and parts of Lebanon, to be used by terrorists who seek to destroy every chance of peace in the region. You have passed, and we are applying, the Syrian Accountability Act -- and we expect the Syrian government to end all support for terror and open the door to freedom. And to the Iranian people, I say tonight: As you stand for your own liberty, America stands with you.

In eleven days, Iraq will elect a permanent government to lead them for the next four years. All this bluster from the talking heads in the media and the halls of CONgress, days away from this momentous occasion, is not being done for any good reason, imho. Let the Iraqis vote before we undertake any other MAJOR advances.

24 posted on 12/04/2005 6:19:03 AM PST by Just A Nobody (I - LOVE - my attitude problem! WBB lives on. Beware the Enemedia.)
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To: Justanobody

Mr. Ledeen has been a speaker for the cause of freedom in Iran on behalf of milions of us!

He deserves more respect!


25 posted on 12/04/2005 6:23:30 AM PST by Khashayar (No Banana Allowed!)
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To: Justanobody

AFAIK, Ledeen has never talked about any military action against Iran!

and yes, most of us are upset with what Bush admin hasn't done to deal with Iranian regime since 9/11


26 posted on 12/04/2005 6:27:16 AM PST by F14 Pilot (Democracy is a process not a product)
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To: JasonC
Actually, he has for several years now called for support for Iranian resistence, and for continuing diplomatic pressure on Syria over Lebanon, but does not demand direct military action on either.

Exactly! See the post below yours, that was being written while you were writing yours as I was getting coffee etc.

Personally, I do not see how we can possibly avoid direct military action in the case of Iran.

I am not convinced it can be avoided either. Perhaps that is what CONgress is trying to avoid with all their yammering, just days away from the national election in Iraq.

I feel President Bush would like to allow the Iranian people to have the honor of setting themselves free. I watch in awe at what the Iranian people have accomplished thus far.

They made a statement a while back, IIRC, that they did not need the USA or anyone else to do the work for them, they were capable of that. They wished only for support of their efforts.

27 posted on 12/04/2005 6:35:54 AM PST by Just A Nobody (I - LOVE - my attitude problem! WBB lives on. Beware the Enemedia.)
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To: Khashayar
He deserves more respect!

I'm sorry Khashayar! I will study him more closely now. I was not aware of this.

28 posted on 12/04/2005 6:40:16 AM PST by Just A Nobody (I - LOVE - my attitude problem! WBB lives on. Beware the Enemedia.)
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To: Justanobody

no worries!


29 posted on 12/04/2005 7:12:53 AM PST by Khashayar (No Banana Allowed!)
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To: Justanobody
"what the Iranian people have accomplished thus far"

Sorry, I am not impressed. The nuke drive marches on, the president is a complete whackjob, he has absolute power and is purging the slightest opposition, and they continue to actively support serious terrorism against both us and the Brits in Iraq. Meanwhile, the EU is limp and they have concluded we are bluffing. Russia is providing them SAMs meant to shoot down smart munitions aimed at their nuke sites, continues to flak for them diplomatically, and continues to support their naked drive for nukes. Just what have the Iranian people supposedly achieved that helps in the slightest with any of it? What pressure does their government feel? Not a thing. The Iranians have a better chance of changing our government - and installing defeatist Dems - than we have of overthrowing theirs.

30 posted on 12/04/2005 8:20:40 AM PST by JasonC
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To: DoctorZIn

But the hard, unpleasant fact remains: we are playing a sucker's game in Iraq, because we are trying to win a regional war by fighting in a single country.

Sorry you are wrong Mike! By changing Iraq we change the entire area, without having to invade every country.


31 posted on 12/04/2005 9:14:32 AM PST by Valin (Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but some abuse the privilege)
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32 posted on 12/04/2005 5:44:17 PM PST by DoctorZIn (Until they are Free, "We shall all be Iranians!")
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