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Conservative Poland Roils European Union
The New York Times ^ | December 4, 2005 | GRAHAM BOWLEY

Posted on 12/04/2005 10:34:44 AM PST by lizol

Conservative Poland Roils European Union

International Herald Tribune Published: December 4, 2005 By GRAHAM BOWLEY

BRUSSELS - When Polish members of the European Parliament placed an anti-abortion display in a parliamentary corridor in Strasbourg, France, recently, Ana Gomes, a Socialist legislator from Portugal, felt compelled to act, she said.

The display showed children in a concentration camp, linking abortion and Nazi crimes. "We found this deeply offensive," Ms. Gomes said. "We tried to remove it." A loud scuffle ensued as she and the Poles traded insults before the display was bundled away by Parliament guards.

But the matter does not end there. It was the latest skirmish in what some here see as an incipient culture war in the heart of Europe, a clash of values that has intensified since countries from Central and Eastern Europe that are experiencing an increase in the influence of the Roman Catholic Church joined the European Union last year.

In the 732-seat European Parliament, and more widely in the European Union, the clash extends beyond abortion to issues like women's rights and homosexuality.

"New groups have come in from Poland, the Czech Republic, Latvia, and Catholicism is certainly becoming a very angry voice against what it sees as a liberal E.U.," said Michael Cashman, 54, a European Parliament member from Britain who has campaigned for gay rights. "On women's rights and gay equality, we are fighting battles that we thought we had won years ago."

With a population of 40 million, Poland is the biggest of the 10 states that joined the European Union last year. It is still uncertain, 19 months later, how Poland, a formerly Communist and overwhelmingly Catholic nation, will fit in with the other members on issues from foreign policy to economic management.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abortion; abotion; catholic; catholicism; catholics; conservatism; conservative; eu; europe; europeanchristians; poland
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1 posted on 12/04/2005 10:34:45 AM PST by lizol
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To: lizol; GatorGirl; maryz; afraidfortherepublic; Antoninus; Aquinasfan; livius; goldenstategirl; ...

Conservative CATHOLIC Poland Roils European Union


2 posted on 12/04/2005 10:35:22 AM PST by narses (St Thomas says “lex injusta non obligat”)
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To: lizol
I'm actively seeking out and purchasing as many Polish goods as I can this Christmas.

L

3 posted on 12/04/2005 10:36:19 AM PST by Lurker ("Son, there's only two things you need in this world; love and a .45.")
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To: 2right; Jimmy Valentine; Lonesome in Massachussets; nunya bidness; A knight without armor; ...
Eastern European ping list


FRmail me to be added or removed from this Eastern European ping list

4 posted on 12/04/2005 10:36:37 AM PST by lizol
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To: lizol

It is precisely conservatism and pride in one's own civilzational values that'll save what parts of the west can be saved from the oncoming islamic armageddon. Am happy we're born in the God-fearing, gun-owning, conservative heavy US of A!


5 posted on 12/04/2005 10:39:11 AM PST by voletti ("A man's character is his fate." - Heraclitus)
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To: lizol
awwwww,.... da poor wittle Socialist from Portugal got her feewings hurt!

I Like It!


6 posted on 12/04/2005 10:40:47 AM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: Lurker
I liked this fragment mostly :-)))

"We need to put a protective wing around some of our new countries that are quite unused to U.S. bullying," said Sarah Ludford, and a Liberal member of the European Parliament from Britain, referring to the report of covert prisons.
7 posted on 12/04/2005 10:41:11 AM PST by lizol
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To: lizol
Yea, that's pretty condescending now isn't it.

L

8 posted on 12/04/2005 10:43:56 AM PST by Lurker ("Son, there's only two things you need in this world; love and a .45.")
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To: Lurker

O yeah, it definitely is. And shows so much respect for Poland and the Poles (sarcasm)


9 posted on 12/04/2005 10:50:33 AM PST by lizol
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To: SandRat

Hmmm, interesting. Portugal is one of the few nations in Europe that has abortion laws in place. They're actually much stricter than we have here in the US. I believe church attendance is higher there than it is elsewehre in Europe, as well. Sounds like this woman was quite the activist.


10 posted on 12/04/2005 10:51:46 AM PST by CheyennePress
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To: lizol

Catholic Poland bump!


11 posted on 12/04/2005 10:53:10 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Lurker

Soooo.....give us some hints or websites or places to go so we can do the same....purchase more Polish goods. Pretty please.


12 posted on 12/04/2005 11:08:23 AM PST by goodnesswins (I'll fight a war in my time......so my grandchildren have peace in theirs.)
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To: Aquinasfan

Poland is showing more courage than France, Spain, Germany, Belgium, Luxemberg, Holland combined. (sorry for any others I missed)


13 posted on 12/04/2005 11:16:24 AM PST by stocksthatgoup (Polls = Proof that when the MSM want your opinion it will give it to you.)
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To: goodnesswins
Cutlerydirect.com has some beautiful handmade Polish tableware, and Costco (I know...) had some really lovely hand blown Christmas tree ornaments. We bought way more than we're going to need, but we did it because we want to support the Poles.

Mrs. L has been admiring the stoneware for years so this Christmas I decided to suprise her with some.

We'll also lay in some good Polish vodka for the holidays. As if I needed an excuse to keep good vodka around the house...

L

14 posted on 12/04/2005 11:20:47 AM PST by Lurker ("Son, there's only two things you need in this world; love and a .45.")
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To: goodnesswins
Poland.pl - photo galleries
15 posted on 12/04/2005 11:22:23 AM PST by lizol
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To: Lurker

thanks.....I'll check Costco out....and the liquor store!


16 posted on 12/04/2005 11:27:06 AM PST by goodnesswins (I'll fight a war in my time......so my grandchildren have peace in theirs.)
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To: lizol

Thanks....I'm having a little trouble getting it to load...but, I'll try again later.


17 posted on 12/04/2005 11:28:43 AM PST by goodnesswins (I'll fight a war in my time......so my grandchildren have peace in theirs.)
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To: lizol

Bravo Poland! I wish my ancestral homeland - Greece - could be as outspoken and supportive of the innocent and life.


18 posted on 12/04/2005 11:31:24 AM PST by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: narses

Conservative CATHOLIC Poland Roils Socialist CATHOLIC Eourpean Union.


19 posted on 12/04/2005 11:37:56 AM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: Lurker
HAM Nothing bad at all about having a splendid Polish ham!


Krakus ham

20 posted on 12/04/2005 11:43:05 AM PST by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: goodnesswins; Lurker

Here is an excellent website for showcasing products from Poland.

http://www.chamberofcommerce.pl/suppliers/


21 posted on 12/04/2005 11:47:24 AM PST by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: eleni121

I thought that a Krakus ham was mooning from a moving car with cheeks firmly pressed on the glass?????? a kind of pressed ham as it were.


22 posted on 12/04/2005 11:48:38 AM PST by Vaquero ("An armed society is a polite society" R. A. Heinlein)
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To: Vaquero

Never heard that one....from your shall we say "vivid" description one could say a Hillary Ham.


23 posted on 12/04/2005 11:51:00 AM PST by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: eleni121

it is a joke me and the boys (the ones I use to hang out with when single) have used since the 1970's.

Yes, your suggestion that Hillary being the 'butt' of the joke works fer me.


24 posted on 12/04/2005 12:00:15 PM PST by Vaquero ("An armed society is a polite society" R. A. Heinlein)
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To: goodnesswins
"Soooo.....give us some hints or websites or places to go so we can do the same....purchase more Polish goods. Pretty please"

Yes, I second that. Also, don't forget, Pope John Paul II, was from Poland and the Pope and the courageous Polish people (IMHO) were instrumental in the downfall of communism. It is a well known fact that Eastern Europe is much more conservative and take their Catholic faith more seriously than their western EU neighbors. Maybe they will be the ones to save Europe.
25 posted on 12/04/2005 12:01:59 PM PST by khnyny
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To: lizol

Bump--


26 posted on 12/04/2005 12:04:57 PM PST by Mamzelle
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To: khnyny

Check my post #21 for products from Poland.


27 posted on 12/04/2005 12:08:08 PM PST by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: Lurker

What vodka do you recommend? I normally drink Ketel One or Rain.


28 posted on 12/04/2005 12:13:18 PM PST by Sisku Hanne (The Old Media, Democrat party & the Left are grim MILLSTONES for our troops)
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To: Sisku Hanne
Try Chopin. It's a bit pricey, but excellent.

L

29 posted on 12/04/2005 12:18:45 PM PST by Lurker ("Son, there's only two things you need in this world; love and a .45.")
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To: Lurker
Good vodka is pricey but worth every penny. IMO, you may be able to find a good $10 bottle of wine, but not so with vodka.
I'll try the Chopin, and I've been looking at Belvedere, too. Maybe one of each to do a comparison- you know, just to help our friends, the Poles.
30 posted on 12/04/2005 12:34:28 PM PST by Sisku Hanne (The Old Media, Democrat party & the Left are grim MILLSTONES for our troops)
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To: lizol

Dirty Socialist EUrotrash will go to great lengths to destroy traditional culture.


31 posted on 12/04/2005 12:36:54 PM PST by Rosemont
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To: Lurker

Polish chocolate candy is excellent, especially the "Wedel" brand.


32 posted on 12/04/2005 1:40:39 PM PST by fotw
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To: lizol
"New groups have come in from Poland, the Czech Republic, Latvia, and Catholicism is certainly becoming a very angry voice against what it sees as a liberal E.U.,"
Latvia? He probably meant Lithuania [Catholic]. Latvia used to be Lutheran.
33 posted on 12/04/2005 1:51:14 PM PST by GSlob
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To: Lurker

How much is a bottle of Chopin vodka in US?


34 posted on 12/04/2005 2:00:50 PM PST by lizol
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To: lizol

Chopin $33/l, Belvedere $35


35 posted on 12/04/2005 2:13:29 PM PST by fotw
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To: fotw

So you must come to Poland if you like it, it's more or less half of that price over here. :-)))


36 posted on 12/04/2005 2:58:44 PM PST by lizol
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To: lizol

Air fare to Poland is about a thousand $ - that raises the price by quite a bit! Dinner at the Belvedere restaurant might be worth the trip...


37 posted on 12/04/2005 4:11:29 PM PST by fotw
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To: fotw

I think you can get a better airfare than that if you search. I visited Poland two years ago and paid much less flying on LOT (had to leave out of Newark.) It's a great country to visit -- an interesting stage of transition. Cracow is a beautiful city, with two other must-see sites in the vicinity -- the incredibly powerful Auschwitz and the magnificent salt mine sculptures nearby. Amazing to see how Warsaw was rebuilt -- and now there are a lot of chic shops and great restaurants. Gdansk is likewise well worth a visit, both for the beauty of the town and the sites associated with Solidarity. Beautiful castles, pleasant countryside, and friendly people who like the US. Yes, it has its problems -- the legacy of Communism and the older people trapped in the change. But it is making great strides, and for Freepers who like to travel, it's a wonderful destination.


38 posted on 12/04/2005 5:09:21 PM PST by speedy
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To: narses

If Poland ever wanted to leave the EU, I propose we invite Poland to become our next state. Boy, that will really irritate Russia, Western Europe and the libs in this country! (I can dream, can't I?) :-)


39 posted on 12/04/2005 5:24:00 PM PST by AsYouAre
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To: Lurker

Polart (1-800-278-9393)in Sarasota, FL has a wide variety of Polish products, including ceramics, books, music. How ironic it is that someone from Portugal - a country that sat out WWII - presumes to lecture the Poles on matters of principle.


40 posted on 12/04/2005 5:38:28 PM PST by Malesherbes
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To: lizol

Hey, hey, when did you last buy wodka? Half a litre of Chopin costs about 43-45 zlotys, so a litre of it is about 26$. Not such a big difference. Besides, a Pole who would want to buy Chopin must have something wrong with his brain.


41 posted on 12/04/2005 5:39:02 PM PST by REactor
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To: lizol

Idealna vodka (Lublin's finest) is best, and about 1/100 the price of Chopin.


42 posted on 12/04/2005 5:44:15 PM PST by BagelFace (BOOGABOOGABOOGABOOGA!!!!)
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To: Lurker

And we are thinking of a trip to Poland next summer. I have always wanted to go there and I want to support them in any way we can.

Are there Polish FReepers?

If so, I would be interested to converse with you.


43 posted on 12/04/2005 5:46:12 PM PST by alarm rider (Irritating leftists as often as is humanly possible....)
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To: lizol

"Eeeeeeeeeexcellent!"


44 posted on 12/04/2005 5:49:36 PM PST by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything.")
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To: speedy

"Fly or not, never LOT"
or in Polish: "Polec LOTem, nie wrocisz z powrotem" - I came by those slogans honestly - over a bottle of Belvedere shared w. some LOT pilots.
I agree though, Poland is a great place to visit - the spirit of the people, their openness, hospitality, wit, creativity, make it a very special experience.


45 posted on 12/04/2005 5:50:29 PM PST by fotw
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To: eleni121

Wysmienity!


46 posted on 12/04/2005 5:54:45 PM PST by Peelod (Decentia est fragilis. Curatoribus validis indiget.)
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To: Peelod

Wysmienity....Ok what does it mean? Something nice I hope.


47 posted on 12/04/2005 6:00:59 PM PST by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: eleni121

What does it mean according to you? Something not nice I guess. What did you have in mind, explain please?


48 posted on 12/04/2005 6:09:43 PM PST by REactor
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To: eleni121

Wysmienity means excellent.


49 posted on 12/04/2005 6:10:36 PM PST by REactor
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To: REactor

Thanks and thanks to the excellent Polish products.


50 posted on 12/04/2005 6:13:32 PM PST by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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