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Conservative Poland Roils European Union
The New York Times ^ | December 4, 2005 | GRAHAM BOWLEY

Posted on 12/04/2005 10:34:44 AM PST by lizol

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To: REactor

I love the Russian Slavic people - you know the long suffering Christian Orthodox kind.

I love the Polish Slavic People - you know the long suffering Roman Catholic Christian kind.

Too bad they can't put aside their historic grievances - on both sides - and ally themselves morally and economically.

Any hope?


61 posted on 12/04/2005 7:45:06 PM PST by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: fotw

Very nice. Thanks.


62 posted on 12/04/2005 7:45:40 PM PST by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: eleni121
Any hope?

The hope, if I may interject, is that the madness of the West will finally unite them. It is already something that they all oppose in the East, but it may take time before they realize that they're in it together.

63 posted on 12/04/2005 7:49:33 PM PST by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything.")
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To: Revolting cat!

The hope, if I may interject, is that the madness of the West will finally unite them




Interject? Any time.

Prescient point you make. Let it be so...sooner rather than later.


64 posted on 12/04/2005 7:52:11 PM PST by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: eleni121

Russians and Poles have a very long, very bitter history. It's dobutful that they can reconcile their deep-rooted differences and resentments.


65 posted on 12/04/2005 7:56:55 PM PST by fotw
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To: Revolting cat!
the madness of the West will finally unite them

What the hell do you mean by FINALLY unite them??? Poland has been united with THEM for 200 years recently and we've had ENOUGH!!! So we joined West. And we like it now :)))

66 posted on 12/04/2005 7:56:56 PM PST by REactor
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To: fotw

Try Luksuksova--also Polish and very good. My DH said the last time he bought it, it was about $25-.


67 posted on 12/04/2005 8:08:57 PM PST by born in the Bronx
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To: lizol

Surely don't want to put abortion is the same light as the Holocaust. Some people think that the Holocaust is the worst thing that happened in human history. These people need to take a serious look at world history for it tells worst stories including the one of abortion.


68 posted on 12/04/2005 8:12:00 PM PST by taxesareforever (Government is running amuck)
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To: REactor

REactor? Are you from Chernobyl? You're overheated, buddy!


69 posted on 12/04/2005 8:13:53 PM PST by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything.")
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To: born in the Bronx

Try Spirytus - i'm not sure how much it costs these days, but it's concentrated - 180 proof, so you need less.


70 posted on 12/04/2005 8:19:40 PM PST by fotw
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To: REactor

Take it easy. Poland and Russia are united by far more benign qualties than you may realize.

And don't forget - there were just as many Polish Commies as Russian ones. In fact some of the most horrible were Polish.


71 posted on 12/04/2005 8:22:01 PM PST by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: vox_PL

Well said vox_PL. I wish Poland would have never joined the EU.


72 posted on 12/04/2005 8:25:26 PM PST by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: SandRat
(*snicker*) what sandrat,your don't care for socialists? hehe...
73 posted on 12/04/2005 8:25:28 PM PST by Diva Betsy Ross (A fun way to send care packages to troops: anysoldier.com)
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To: eleni121
as many Polish Commies as Russian ones

Taking into account that there are 4 times more Russians on this planet than Poles, and that it was Russians who established the first communist paradise your statement doesn't seem to be very credible.

In fact some of the most horrible were Polish.

You mean Iron Felix? Felix was Polish only by birth. He renounced his country early in his life and became Russian revolutionary. He was Polish to the same extent as Hitler was Austrian, that is not very much. Even worse, he was not considered Polish even by his contemporaries. If he himself thought that he was Polish - only God knows.

74 posted on 12/04/2005 8:34:46 PM PST by REactor
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To: REactor

You mean to tell me that all those years of the Polish Communist state, it was really Russians in Warsaw speaking Polish? Yeah...

C'mon now. As for more Russians than Poles being commies so what? What matters is the ratio not the actual numbers.

Again, it is the future that matters. There are many negative qualities of the secular west that need reform. Russia and Poland can together form an alliance of moral uprightness shall we say as a bulwark against the tendency of the west to deteriorate into secularist immorality.


75 posted on 12/04/2005 8:44:32 PM PST by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: eleni121
all those years of the Polish Communist state, it was really Russians in Warsaw speaking Polish? Yeah.

Until 1956 they didn't even bother to learn Polish. It was their Polish flunkeys who had to speak Russian. The rulers of Poland were NKVD general Ivan Serov, Minister of Defence of the People's Republic of Poland was Russian General of Polish origin Konstantin Rokossovski - there were jokes circulating about his "Polish" language.

In later years after 1956, sure, there were Polish administrators of the country, but they wouldn't have stayed in the saddle for a week were it not for Russian armies stationed all over Poland in strategic places.

Russia and Poland can together form an alliance of moral uprightness against the tendency of the west to deteriorate into secularist immorality.

Oh please. Poland and Russia? Catholic Poland and generally atheist with a few spots of nationalist Orthodoxy Russia? Against what? West? Bwahahaha!

76 posted on 12/04/2005 8:57:58 PM PST by REactor
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To: Diva Betsy Ross
They are only a picometer above dinosauer droppings. Right even with Commies.
77 posted on 12/04/2005 10:01:44 PM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: fotw
"Try Spirytus"

If you are so desperate then you may also try Polish wine.
78 posted on 12/04/2005 10:05:20 PM PST by Grzegorz 246
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To: eleni121
Thanks. Unfortunately many EUnuchs still think that Polish products = shit, that's why Polish companies often hide a fact that their products are made in Poland under English sounding names.
79 posted on 12/05/2005 1:49:51 AM PST by Grzegorz 246
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To: REactor

True but on the other hand she was nice until you came with that #**#.


80 posted on 12/05/2005 1:52:46 AM PST by Grzegorz 246
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