Skip to comments.Intelligent designís long march to nowhere
Posted on 12/05/2005 4:06:56 AM PST by PatrickHenry
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What is the difference between arguing from probabilities and arguing from astonishment?
"it is not clear to what extent the process of evolution or the study of the history of life on earth may reveal hints of broader cosmic, perhaps even divine, purpose and intention.
It is therefore possible that, from time to time, the Foundation will support well-designed projects or research that some others may label as "intelligent design".
In contrast, some advocates of the ID position have received grants from the Foundation...
...we do fund open and rigorous debate concerning the "ID" position. We believe that open debate and competition among positions is the best long-term method for choosing a wise course of action. This is particularly important in this instance because debate about the philosophical interpretations of evolutionary science...is much needed.
There is the evidence...argue with them now.
Too late. I'm extremely confused.
There is no Sinosauroptyrex.
At least not in the official literature. However, your chart earlier spells it exactly the same way as pby, which really makes me confused. One would think there would be lots of literature available on just about any dinosaur, let alone one as somewhat controversial as this one.
I'm beginning to think I've slipped into an alternate universe... again.
Perhaps Vade can read it in blue.
The earth brought forth life and continues to sustain it on account of a cause beyond itself.
Would ID predict something akin to a periodic table of elements, "laws of nature," and the like?
If the definition of "supernatural" is subject to the extent of human understanding, what is there that cannot be defined as either "natural" or "supernatural," with the observer being the sole determinant of which is which?
Maybe the "natural" state of things is for them to fly apart, disintegrate, and disappear. If so, then the presence of any data for any observer to contemplate would be far from natural. I maintain that science is in and of itself a supernatural occurence.
I knew I remembered seeing it spelled that way.
"I maintain that science is in and of itself a supernatural occurence." (Fester Chugabrew, post 428)
Your Brain on Creationism worthy?
Your bracketed comment contradicts what the sentence says. It seems to me the author is stating antipathy toward supporting "one way or the other." That means nothing is ruled in or out, other than supporting political agendas.
Look for yourselves.
Ahhh... Tired eyes. "E" before "Y" if it's dinos that fly...
Just brazen. They do not fund ID. You said they do.
Now, I allowed that you could have been innocently mistaken in your initial reading.
That cannot be true now. You, sir, are absolutely, positively, without a doubt a shameless liar.
Out for probably the rest of the night. You may have the last word. Have a ball with it.
Well, in fact, a goodly number of scientists look at the problem of very early life, and other conundrums, and find there's a good case to be made for ID. However, they also mostly understand the difference between idle speculation, that offers, as yet no tangible traction for critical experiment or field work, and natural science. There is another branch of thought, presently spearheaded by Kauffman, Woese and Wolfram, who do perform experiments with critically examinable results, that holds that self-reproductive organization is a natural state of chaotic matter over time, and is inevitable even in the short run.
Kinda easier to get your mits around an ongoing physical phenomenon, than it is to examine a supposed one-shot event a couple of billion years ago.
What is "Creationism?"
"What is "Creationism?"
How so? 1965-1927 is 38 years.
Gamow and Teller were both proponents of the expanding-universe theory that had been advanced by Friedmann, Edwin Hubble, and Georges LeMaître. Gamow, however, modified the theory and named his version the big bang. He and Ralph Alpher published this theory in a paper called The Origin of Chemical Elements (1948). This paper, attempting to explain the distribution of chemical elements throughout the universe, posits a primeval thermonuclear explosion, the big bang that began the universe. According to the theory, after the big bang, atomic nuclei were built up by the successive capture of neutrons by the initially formed pairs and triplets.
That is 21 years before the testable prediction was made followed by 17 years before the theory was widely accepted.(and I'm not sure how close that initial description is to the current theories synthesis of elements)
But, in 1950, a Japanese astrophysicist, Chushiro Hayashi, pointed out a big flaw in Gamow's theory. One of Gamow's basic assumptions, that the universe was originally filled with neutrons and gamma rays, could not be correct. If the radiation had a temperature of 109 K when the universe was 20 minutes old, it would have to be much hotter when the universe was much younger, say 1 second A.B.E. But if the radiation is hotter than 1010 K, the gamma rays will be sufficiently energetic to produce electrons and positrons (anti-electrons) by the reaction:
"Darwin's Black Box" was written in 1996.
I understand your intuition about these two disciplines---they should be related, you feel.
There are many obstacles to that happening. To mention a few, I think, is sufficient.
Where does, in historical perspective, abiogenis begin? Before the Big Bang? After? etc.
That takes us immediately back to the Big Bang, and events before which we must forever remain ignorant. We'd be getting close to the supernatural, and science abhors the unempirical.
Outside the MSM, the Theory of Evolution, and its proponents, has never been about the beginning of life. I think that is the result of the first issue I raised. Also scientists tend not to venture beyond the limitations of the scientific method.
Some scientists, on the other hand, do research in abiogenesis. Most are in the Chemetistry areas of research. Today, bringing the Chemical research into the fold of those searching for the beginning of life is unwarranted simply because the data are not sufficiently supportive.
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