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To: shuckmaster

"I'm convinced that Behe and thus ID are nothing but a book selling charlatan hoax"

I found Behe's book compelling. No trace of charaltanism anywhere that I could detect, merely a great of deal of very intriguing information. Have you read it? Cite for me those passages that you feel are charlatan. I promise, I'll go to my copy and re-read them and then get back to you.


295 posted on 12/05/2005 2:20:43 PM PST by KamperKen
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To: KamperKen
I found Behe's book compelling. No trace of charaltanism anywhere that I could detect, merely a great of deal of very intriguing information. Have you read it? Cite for me those passages that you feel are charlatan. I promise, I'll go to my copy and re-read them and then get back to you.

I'm pretty sure Behe is not an intentional charlatan, but his book is riddled with problems, among them, that some of his predictions of scientific events that would never occur because of intractable complexity, had, in fact, already seen publication before his book went to press. Not a great job of bench checking. If you want the whole miserable story, and nearly a page by page takedown of Behe's presumptuousness and carelessness with the facts, find a copy of Miller's "Finding Darwin's God", by a deadly serious, mainstream biologist who cowrites the principle textbook for beginning biology majors, and who is also a deadly serious catholic.

Behe's basic argument, like that of the rest of the stars, of ID can be stated very simply: "If my giant brain can't conceive how something happened, it must be a miracle!".

This is a clinically interesting form of theological conceit, but it is an inherently barren attitude to try to do science with.

Just because someone throws a lot of techie words, math, and great looking engineering diagrams at you, doesn't necessarily mean he's doing science.

306 posted on 12/05/2005 2:39:29 PM PST by donh
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To: KamperKen
No trace of charaltanism anywhere that I could detect,

The joke's on you kid. The whole book is a hoax.

543 posted on 12/06/2005 3:09:44 AM PST by shuckmaster
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