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To: Last Visible Dog
Science concerns itself with things that can be detected. Science does not claim that the things it can detect are the only things that exist.

So you are claiming non-material things exist

I make no such claim, nor it's opposite, and neither does science.

- but science can't concern itself with them yet science is not materialistic. Yeah. Right.

Consider the ether. For I guess about 100 years, science thought ether existed, and looked for a physical manifestation of it (rather like the position of string theory today), but it didn't pan out and was abandoned. Does that mean all the scientists who believed in ether were materialists? Because they believed in something that had no more tangible existence than Santa Claus?

Philosophical materialists claim that only what you can detect, exists. Ergo, scientists are not philosophical materialists.

Yeah. Right. You claim science can only concern itself with material things yet science is not materialistic. Right. Fancy bit of tapdancng you are doing here.

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You claim science can only deal with the material yet science is not materialist - like your earlier statements, that statement is completely contradictory and is certainly not proof.

Here is the crux of the mental fugue state you have lathered yourself into. Look up Materialism in most any mainstream dictionary. You will get a reprise on philosphical materialism, and if you are talking about the epistimology of science, then that is what you are talking about. The fact that science confines its concerns to explaining the behavior of the material world does NOT mean science is forwarding the claim of Materialism that material is all there is--even if you hold your breath until you turn blue, insisting on the right to swap one definition of the word for another that was clearly not intended, and not correct in the context.

Concerning oneself with physical things is not the same thing as claiming physical things is all there is. How hard can this be to understand?

821 posted on 12/08/2005 7:57:39 AM PST by donh
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To: donh

The dogma of Christianity permeated western science many years ago. Now the dogma of Materialism permeates science - and you demonstrated this with your materialism tap-dance. Dogma is unwarranted - or better put: unchallenged - a priori assumptions. For the vast majority of scientific endeavors this is of little to no concern. But on the fringes of science it is important to think "outside of the box" and to not be blocked by unwarranted/untested a priori assumptions.


835 posted on 12/08/2005 2:26:27 PM PST by Last Visible Dog
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