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What's With Mock Assault Rifle Sales for Kids? (Liberal Gun Fear on Display!)
Madison.com ^ | December 5, 2005 | Rob Zaleski

Posted on 12/05/2005 3:01:27 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin

I must confess that it's probably been two decades since I've done any Christmas shopping for kids. So I was a bit taken aback when I visited ShopKo last week - searching for an action toy for my 4-year-old grandson - and happened upon a black soft air rifle that fires plastic BBs and bears a striking resemblance to an assault weapon.

Yes, the same kind of assault weapon that gangs have used to gun down police.

(Actually, it wasn't a total surprise: Several weeks earlier, a reader had called and suggested I check out some of the sophisticated fake guns now on the market.)

This particular gun was called the Crosman Stinger R34 and, according to a promotional ad I found on the Internet, it's modeled after the "legendary AR-15" assault rifle. Which, it so happens, is one of the many assault weapons that were illegal in this country until last year, when the Republican-controlled Congress allowed a 10-year ban to expire.

So why would a store carry such a gun - especially in Madison, which is having all sorts of headaches with kids bringing BB guns to school?

Jason, a regional manager for ShopKo who happened to be present that day (he declined to give his last name), explained that ShopKo, like many discount stores, carries a wide assortment of fake guns. Everything from the Crosman Stinger R34 and the Crosman Pulse R70 (fires up to 10 plastic BBs per second) - both of which are recommended for kids 16 and older - to the Star Wars Energy Beam Blaster, which is targeted at kids in the 5-to-8 range and shoots something called "silly string."

He pointed out that the Stinger R34, which sells for $59.99, is used mainly for target practice and has been one of the top-selling items in the sporting goods department since ShopKo began carrying it six months ago. What's more, he wasn't aware of a single complaint.

"But there's definitely a level of danger with it," he acknowledged. "I mean, you could easily shoot someone in the eye."

He added that he was almost certain that Target and Wal-Mart also carried the gun. (I checked, and they don't - at least, not at their west-side Madison stores. However, I discovered there are all kinds of fake assault-weapons available on the Internet.)

But what sort of parent, I asked Jason, would buy such a thing?

He shrugged. "I wouldn't buy one for my kid, I can tell you that much," he said.

Now, for all the NRA members who are foaming at the mouth as they read this, I should point out that I'm not an anti-gun guy, that I support the Second Amendment and that I actually did some hunting as a kid.

At the same time, I'll admit I've never had much interest in guns. Probably because my older brother got a BB gun for Christmas one year - just like the dorky kid in the movie, "A Christmas Story" - and actually did shoot a neighbor kid in the eye while horsing around in the yard. (A surgeon managed to remove the BB, but my parents were worried sick for months that the kid's family was going to sue.)

In fact, to be honest,

Mike Hanson, a spokesman for the Madison Police Department, says law enforcement officers have long wondered why stores carry look-alike fake guns. Especially BB and pellet guns that are almost impossible to distinguish from the real thing. (They do come with orange tips, but police say the tips often are painted or removed.)

The problem, he says, is that police occasionally will be alerted about a kid carrying a fake gun in a public setting. "And because the gun looks so realistic, we sometimes have to make split-second decisions about its authenticity - which could lead to a deadly-force encounter."

He notes that just a few weeks ago an officer nearly fired on a teenager who'd pulled a gun out of his pants on Tree Lane on the west side and aimed it at the officer. It wasn't until the kid dropped the gun and ran that the officer discovered that it was actually a BB gun.

"That came very close to being a tragedy," he says.

Hanson says the department can't discourage the sale of BB guns.

"But we can encourage parents that if they have some compelling reason to buy Johnny a mock assault rifle to make sure that it's kept in the house."

Fortunately, my grandson's only 4, so I don't have to worry about these things yet. In fact, after talking to Hanson, I've pretty much decided to get him something sports-related for Christmas - like, say, his first authentic metal driver.

Junior size, of course. And with a small head.


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"I've pretty much decided to get him something sports-related for Christmas - like, say, his first authentic metal driver."

ROFLMAO! What a doorknob. Yep. No one, in the history of the world has EVER been killed with a golf club! (Hint: Martha Moxley, killed by golf-club-wielding liberal Fortunate Son.)

1 posted on 12/05/2005 3:01:29 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin
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To: Diana in Wisconsin


How can we possibly trust a kid with a bb gun? They're irresponsible and untrustworthy...

...better we let them get abortions without parental consent...


2 posted on 12/05/2005 3:03:46 PM PST by Tzimisce
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

AAAAAAHHH!!!

3 posted on 12/05/2005 3:05:04 PM PST by RedBeaconNY (Vous parlez trop, mais vous ne dites rien.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

He is a moron, of course.

I don't like realistic fake guns, however, because cops and others occassionally think they're in real danger and respond accordingly.

Instead, I recently bought my daughter her first .22, which she will use responsibly.


4 posted on 12/05/2005 3:05:07 PM PST by MeanWestTexan (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Actually, there have been a number of husbands killed with golf clubs while teaching their wives how to play. I use to know the statistics buy have forgotten them now. Perhaps someone has the energy to look it up.


5 posted on 12/05/2005 3:05:36 PM PST by calex59 (Seeing the light shouldn't make you blind...)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
I'd tell this clueless liberal to simply not buy one if they don't please her. But as is the problem with liberals, they butt in where they have no business and try to force people to adhere to what they want. As for myself, operating a small independent film production company these realistic and rugged props are immensely suited for filmmakers on a tight budget. I have some models that have never had a BB-fired through them, and are purely for show.
6 posted on 12/05/2005 3:06:23 PM PST by Namyak (Oderint dum metuant)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
"This particular gun was called the Cros{s}man Stinger R34"

Thanks for the tip... I'll go out later and get one for my little brother.

http://www.crosman.com/site/listing/1282


7 posted on 12/05/2005 3:07:40 PM PST by gondramB ( A government which robs Peter to pay Paul, can always count on the support of Paul)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
Yes, the same kind of assault weapon that gangs have used to gun down police

The same kind of weapon law enforcement uses to keep the peace. The same kind of weapon homeland security uses to protect your A**. The same kind of weapon the military uses to defend your liberty. The same kind of weapon peaceful, responsible, law abiding people use to protect themselves and their families. I feel sorry for the son of this sorry wimp.

8 posted on 12/05/2005 3:08:54 PM PST by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

It's not even a BB gun. It shoots plastic "BB's".


9 posted on 12/05/2005 3:09:17 PM PST by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

10 posted on 12/05/2005 3:10:37 PM PST by RWR8189 (George Allen 2008)
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To: gondramB

I need to drop a thank you note to the liberal author. This looks like the perfect birthday present for my kid.


11 posted on 12/05/2005 3:10:46 PM PST by Kokojmudd (Outsource the US Senate to Mexico! Put Walmart in charge of all Federal agencies!)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Maybe you should consider getting one of these peace loving dolls:

This Eid al-Fitr there is a new must-have toy on the Muslim child's wish list - the Razanne doll. With her pre-teen figure and aura of humility she doesn't, at first glance, stand out in the gaudy world of children's toys. But she has captured the hearts of Muslim girls across the US, Canada, Singapore and Germany. And now the doll, whose name translates as "shyness and modesty", is available in the UK.
.


12 posted on 12/05/2005 3:12:00 PM PST by taxesareforever (Government is running amuck)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
I must confess that it's probably been two decades since I've done any Christmas shopping for kids

searching for an action toy for my 4-year-old grandson


Nice; wonder why she ignored her grandson the last three years? Who thinks like this, anyway?
13 posted on 12/05/2005 3:12:02 PM PST by Turbopilot (Nothing in the above post is or should be construed as legal research, analysis, or advice.)
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To: Rodney King

"It's not even a BB gun. It shoots plastic "BB's"."

I think they will shoot metal BBs too.


14 posted on 12/05/2005 3:12:34 PM PST by gondramB ( A government which robs Peter to pay Paul, can always count on the support of Paul)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
"I mean, you could easily shoot someone in the eye."

YOU'LL SHOOT YOUR EYE OUT!

15 posted on 12/05/2005 3:15:31 PM PST by manwiththehands ("Attack (Democrats) until they stop twitching and then attack some more." -J. Peter Mulhern)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

The guy's a grandfather, so he has some years on him, yet he pens this piece of tripe. How can one live so long and learn so little?


16 posted on 12/05/2005 3:16:51 PM PST by OldPossum
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
But what sort of parent, I asked Jason, would buy such a thing?

He shrugged. "I wouldn't buy one for my kid, I can tell you that much," he said. "60 bucks for a plastic BB gun is pretty steep. Besides, I've already let him put a couple of thousand rounds downrange on the real thing, so I imagine this would be a bit of a disappointment if ya know what I mean. Do you shoot 5.56 or 7.62, Mr Hoplophobe?"

17 posted on 12/05/2005 3:16:56 PM PST by Sender (Team Infidel USA)
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To: Kokojmudd
Yep that one loks fine for kids - it's got that oranbge tip on it. Now with some of the guns on that site you would need to teach kids to be extra careful that somebody doesn't think they have a real gun.
18 posted on 12/05/2005 3:17:58 PM PST by gondramB ( A government which robs Peter to pay Paul, can always count on the support of Paul)
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To: Kokojmudd
I would have some measure of agreement with the author's sentiment, but these toy guns universally have the orange ring around the end of the barrels.

The 'fake'ness should be more prominently displayed, definitly, but it isn't a total look alike now.

19 posted on 12/05/2005 3:20:51 PM PST by mbraynard (I don't even HAVE a mustache!)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
...is one of the many assault weapons that were illegal in this country until last year...

Um, no they weren't.

...when the Republican-controlled Congress allowed a 10-year ban to expire.

Your stupid "scary-lookin gun ban", along with Hillarycare, is why you got a Republican-controlled congress.

20 posted on 12/05/2005 3:21:18 PM PST by Spirochete
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To: gondramB

--no--they won't--


21 posted on 12/05/2005 3:22:17 PM PST by rellimpank (Don't believe anything about firearms or explosives stated by the mass media---NRABenefactor)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
I must confess that it's probably been two decades since I've done any Christmas shopping for kids. So I was a bit taken aback when I visited ShopKo last week - searching for an action toy for my 4-year-old grandson - and happened upon a black soft air rifle that fires plastic BBs and bears a striking resemblance to an assault weapon.

Yes, the same kind of assault weapon that gangs have used to gun down police.

Well, did you buy it for him?? the kid would love ya!!

22 posted on 12/05/2005 3:23:30 PM PST by sit-rep (If you acquire, hit it again to verify...)
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To: rellimpank

I'll be darned. you are right... I looked it up and they are not the same caliber.

" Standard BBs are copper or steel with a diameter of 0.177 caliber or (4.5mm). Air Soft BBs are generally 6mm or near 0.24 caliber. "

http://www.mfiap.com/airsoft/airsoft.htm


23 posted on 12/05/2005 3:25:43 PM PST by gondramB ( A government which robs Peter to pay Paul, can always count on the support of Paul)
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To: Spirochete

--not the least bit of politics in either of his statements, of course--(sarcasm intended)--


24 posted on 12/05/2005 3:26:09 PM PST by rellimpank (Don't believe anything about firearms or explosives stated by the mass media---NRABenefactor)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
Another disgusting part of the article is that the author has no clue what the 2nd Amendment is really about.

Freakin' liberal morons bump.

25 posted on 12/05/2005 3:28:08 PM PST by Looking4Truth (Sick and tired of being sick and tired of being screwed over.)
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To: gondramB
--by amazing coincidence, about an hour ago my -granddaughter found some airsoft pellets in the nearby park--

Shotgun News has covered the guns and shooting them pretty well , too

26 posted on 12/05/2005 3:29:47 PM PST by rellimpank (Don't believe anything about firearms or explosives stated by the mass media---NRABenefactor)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
lesson 1 "This particular gun was called the Crosman Stinger R34 and, according to a promotional ad I found on the Internet, it's modeled after the "legendary AR-15" assault rifle. Which, it so happens, is one of the many assault weapons that were illegal in this country until last year, when the Republican-controlled Congress allowed a 10-year ban to expire."

The real reason for this article.

Lesson 2:"But what sort of parent, I asked Jason, would buy such a thing?
He shrugged. "I wouldn't buy one for my kid, I can tell you that much," he said."

Shopco managers are not demographers or marketing analyst.

Lesson 3: "Mike Hanson, a spokesman for the Madison Police Department, says law enforcement officers have long wondered why stores carry look-alike fake guns. Especially BB and pellet guns that are almost impossible to distinguish from the real thing."

Law enforcement agents apparently do not want children today to participate in the same sort of playtime activity's that many of them did when they where first beginning to become enamored with law enforcement.
27 posted on 12/05/2005 3:35:00 PM PST by kublia khan (Absolute war brings total victory)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
He pointed out that the Stinger R34, which sells for $59.99, is used mainly for target practice

What else would a BB gun be used for if not for target practice? Especially one that shoots plastic BB's. I love how people need to state the obvious for the ignorant.

28 posted on 12/05/2005 3:51:37 PM PST by md2576 (Don't be such a Shehan Hugger!)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
and happened upon a black soft air rifle that fires plastic BBs and bears a striking resemblance to an assault weapon.

They really need to bring back candy cigarettes for people like this to have a coronary over.

29 posted on 12/05/2005 4:04:09 PM PST by ElkGroveDan (California bashers will be called out)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin; Harmless Teddy Bear; Travis McGee; Dead Corpse; Eaker; Squantos; Lazamataz; ...

My Dear Mr. Rob Zaleski

1. assault rifles STILL require a Title2/ClassIII permit and BATFE transfer tax for civilian ownership, dumb-bunny
2. assault WEAPONS were legal under the AWB - including various forms of AR15 rifles.

waitaminnit... why am I trying to explain this to a bed-wetting hoplophobe?

1. If you were smart enough to understand the explanation, no explanation would be needed.
2. If you had any spine or bladder-control at all, you wouldn't be upset about AirSoft... except perhaps by the fact that they aren't capable of firing proper rounds of the conventional, "real", variety.
3. If you had any sense, you'd be irked by Slutz dolls and the alien-phallus "Boohbah" things marketed to children by the same lovely pervs who gave us the rather obviously homosexual Teletubbies (and, no: Tinky-Winky was NOT the only homosexual teletubby - they ALL were quite poofy).

So, ah... nevermind. I suggest you give yourself a "Holiday Gift" of rubber sheets - it is quite evident they'll see frequent use.

Merry Christ's Mass, you pencil-necked Donk.


30 posted on 12/05/2005 4:06:09 PM PST by King Prout (many accuse me of being overly literal... this would not be a problem if many were not under-precise)
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To: Dashing Dasher

read article, then see#30 :)


31 posted on 12/05/2005 4:09:13 PM PST by King Prout (many accuse me of being overly literal... this would not be a problem if many were not under-precise)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

I couldn't tell you how many toy guns I had as a kid. One I remember was the 'Johnny 7 One Man Army'. It fired all kinds of plastic projectiles. It converted into a sub machine gun/pistol/missle launcher. Had a bipod. Also fired caps (those rolls of red paper that had little spots of gunpowder that would explode) I turned out OK, but with regards to the article, I think 4 might be a bit young for a BB gun. I got one at 10. It was a Daisy that you poured hundreds of BBs into and 'hunted' all afternoon. No pesky songbirds in MY neighborhood! Of course, this was 40 years ago.


32 posted on 12/05/2005 4:16:37 PM PST by bk1000 (A clear conscience is a sure sign of a poor memory)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

The dollar stores have any kind of imaginary gun a little kid could want. A couple of years ago my grandson was waitiing in line and talking about shooting birds. The lady behind us got a case of vapers and told him he couldn't shoot innocent little birds. He thought a few seconds and then reassuredly told her it was ok because he was going to eat what he shot.


33 posted on 12/05/2005 4:17:04 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: ElkGroveDan

I'm getting nostalgic. I really liked those candy cigarettes


34 posted on 12/05/2005 4:19:10 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: bk1000
I found it!
35 posted on 12/05/2005 4:20:02 PM PST by bk1000 (A clear conscience is a sure sign of a poor memory)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

He should wait until his son is at least 5.


36 posted on 12/05/2005 4:21:44 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: CindyDawg

found some

http://www.candydirect.com/html/eng/Candy-Cigarettes.html


37 posted on 12/05/2005 4:22:15 PM PST by ElkGroveDan (California bashers will be called out)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
es, the same kind of assault weapon that gangs have used to gun down police.

*snicker*

38 posted on 12/05/2005 4:23:48 PM PST by TankerKC (Done with the NFL..)
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To: ElkGroveDan

I thought they were banned. Camel was my favorite.


39 posted on 12/05/2005 4:24:33 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
And with a small head.

Just like the Old Man's?

40 posted on 12/05/2005 4:25:20 PM PST by El Gato
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

They need to open that instituion on Lake Mendota again, Diana! It was working back in the 60s when I was a kid. We used to walk out the pennisula to get out on the ice to go ice fishing for jumbo perch.


41 posted on 12/05/2005 4:27:06 PM PST by Redleg Duke (9/11 - "WE WILL NEVER FORGET!")
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To: Tzimisce

I don't understand. The left's heroes, the "Palestinians", give REAL weapons to children and strap bomb belts on them. Isn't that worse than giving them a FAKE gun?

(Yes, I am playing dumb. Sometimes it's the only way to deal with the Left on their own level.)


42 posted on 12/05/2005 4:27:52 PM PST by Politicalmom (Must I use a sarcasm tag?)
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To: El Gato
And with a small head.

Just like the Old Man's?

I mean "Just like his Grandma's tiny little head.

Gotta read the story more carefully. :)

43 posted on 12/05/2005 4:31:22 PM PST by El Gato
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To: bk1000

I never could get my mom to buy me a cap gun so I would buy just caps and hit them with rocks on the road.


44 posted on 12/05/2005 4:31:57 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: OldPossum

"How can one live so long and learn so little?"

That's Madistan, WI for you. The "Berkley" of the midwest; '80 Square Miles Surrounded By Reality.'

I got to fire an AR-15 a few weeks back. It. Was. So. Cool.

When my boys were young, ANYTHING could become a gun, from a clothespin to a Barbie Doll. One of them even used the CAT for a gun one day, LOL! There's nothing new under the sun as far as young boys go. They LIKE to break things and pretend to kill one another. And make noise. Oh, so much noise that I really miss it now that they're grown. *SNIF*

This Grandson is definately going to be a metrosexual when he grows up, and Grandpa will be so proud, LOL!


45 posted on 12/05/2005 4:32:38 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: King Prout

Lovely. Especially the rubber sheets and use of word "donk" - you usually don't get both in the same post.


If only he would read it....

sigh.


46 posted on 12/05/2005 4:32:53 PM PST by Dashing Dasher (God made mud, God made dirt, God made boys so girls could flirt.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Yep. They will make weapons out of anything. I came home from work one day and my husband was sitting in his chair watching tv. The boys were on their bellies on the carpet having a missle war with tampons.


47 posted on 12/05/2005 4:36:03 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: ElkGroveDan

That is awesome! We used to puff away on those babies all day when I was a kid. Minty-fresh, and if you were really lucky, there was extra powder in the box to make some impressive "smoke" when blown from your palm into the face of your bratty little sister.

Too much fun! LOL!


48 posted on 12/05/2005 4:38:10 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: bk1000

I remember buying guns like that "Johnny 7 One Man Army" for my boys when they were little and now I realize what I have done...I have created two upstanding citizens and one is in the army defending this sorry liberal a$$hole from beheading maniacs just so he can write such nonsense.
YOU CAN'T FIX STUPID!


49 posted on 12/05/2005 4:38:22 PM PST by UltraKonservativen (( YOU CAN'T FIX STUPID!!!))
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To: CindyDawg

"The boys were on their bellies on the carpet having a missle war with tampons."

LOL! :)


50 posted on 12/05/2005 4:40:05 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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