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1 posted on 12/05/2005 10:36:24 PM PST by churchillbuff
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To: churchillbuff

Amen!


2 posted on 12/05/2005 10:48:42 PM PST by NTegraT ((For 12 Days of Christmas))
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To: churchillbuff; sionnsar; FormerLib; Kolokotronis; Salvation; HarleyD

I couldn't agree more.

Orthodox, Catholics, orthodox Alglicans, high-church Lutherans, Reformed Christians:

UNITE for Advent! Christmas STARTS on 12/25!

Get the Pings out!


3 posted on 12/05/2005 10:49:43 PM PST by newberger
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To: churchillbuff

Our tree and lights stay up through the twelve days of Christmas and come down after Epiphany (which celebrates the arrival of the Wise Men bearing gifts to the Christ Child), January 5th, I believe.

Advent consists of the weeks before Christmas when one is preparing for and anticipating the arrival of the baby Jesus.


4 posted on 12/05/2005 10:50:34 PM PST by patriciaruth (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1346573/posts)
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To: churchillbuff

To get technical Jesus was born while his parents were traveling to pay their taxes, hence the crowded Inn, where other taxpayers were crowded. This probably happened in the Summer time, but somebody messed up the Calendar and we celebrate on Dec. 25... So maybe we should celebrate it in July or something.


5 posted on 12/05/2005 11:33:11 PM PST by GeronL (Leftism is the INSANE Cult of the Artificial)
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To: Coleus; NYer

Catholic Bump!


8 posted on 12/06/2005 2:38:53 AM PST by sockmonkey
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To: churchillbuff
I love celebrating the birth of Christ. It is such a magical time of year. I get the feeling of renewal.

Then you get a 'Happy Season' card wishing you a 'Joyous Holiday' from a friend. Even the picture on the card has nothing related to the birth of Christ. What is strange is that she is a Catholic.

It is confusing. I think people are brain washed.

9 posted on 12/06/2005 5:24:14 AM PST by Dustbunny (Main Stream Media -- Making 'Max Headroom' a reality.)
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To: churchillbuff

Hey, these people are just advocating moving the season up so that Christmas BEGINS the season. I say, expand it both ways! We get our tree soon after Thanksgiving. We keep it up until after New Years. We light an Advent Wreath and read the Bible and sing songs. We play Christmas music. Make a month of it, in other words!

It's a little disgusting to go to bed on Christmas evening, and hear the radio stations already back to playing their regular music. Just chucking the Christmas stuff as soon as the clock strikes midnight.


13 posted on 12/06/2005 6:31:49 AM PST by DaveLoneRanger ("As He died to make men holy, let us die to make men free, while God is marching on.")
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To: churchillbuff
Already posted and pinged (at least to my list).
15 posted on 12/06/2005 7:27:26 AM PST by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com† || To Libs: You are failing to celebrate MY diversity! || Iran Azadi)
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Catholic Discussion Ping!

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17 posted on 12/06/2005 10:01:01 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Big Giant Head

What say we follow this schedule? No pressure until later this month. Wouldn't that be nice? :)


19 posted on 12/06/2005 10:09:57 AM PST by Marie Antoinette (Welcome to my little Rosemary Anne, born 10/24)
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To: churchillbuff
That's how we celebrated when I was young. As a compromise with my husband who is British, we put up the tree a few days before Christmas eve, as a child we were not allowed to see the tree decorated until Christmas eve officially began.
With my children, particularly when they were younger...we celebrated everything during and after Advent, up until Candlemas. Though I have to say Martinmas with it's traditional lantern walk in November was the first inkling of the holidays, and my favorite.
My youngest is now 11... she dutifully put our her shoe last night for Sankt Niklaus to fill...and she was not disappointed.
22 posted on 12/06/2005 11:12:09 AM PST by Katya (Homo Nosce Te Ipsum)
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WWJD?

26 posted on 12/06/2005 11:20:51 AM PST by evets (God bless president Bush!)
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To: churchillbuff
Thanks so much for posting this. I remember learning maybe 15 years ago that the 12 days of Christmas started on Christmas and went to Epiphany. I've started putting a big Advent Wreath in our yard (since the kids want some kind of decoration). We add a "flame" each week. We do put our tree up during the week before Christmas (there's no way I could do it on Christmas Eve). I've always gotten irked to see people's Christmas trees out by their curbs on Dec. 26, since we've always left ours up until Ephiphany.

When a friend went into the Discalced Carmelite Monastery, it was then that I learned they celebrated Christmas all the way until the Presentation, so she could write to people during that time. (she can only write twice a year--Christmas Season and Easter Season).

It's gonna take a l o n g time to reverse the tide we're on as a society regarding Holy Days.

27 posted on 12/06/2005 11:24:50 AM PST by GOP_Thug_Mom (libera nos a malo)
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The symbolism of the Advent wreath is beautiful. The wreath is made of various evergreens, signifying continuous life. Even these evergreens have a traditional meaning which can be adapted to our faith: The laurel signifies victory over persecution and suffering; pine, holly, and yew, immortality; and cedar, strength and healing. Holly also has a special Christian symbolism: The prickly leaves remind us of the crown of thorns, and one English legend tells of how the cross was made of holly. The circle of the wreath, which has no beginning or end, symbolizes the eternity of God, the immortality of the soul, and the everlasting life found in Christ. Any pine cones, nuts, or seedpods used to decorate the wreath also symbolize life and resurrection. All together, the wreath of evergreens depicts the immortality of our soul and the new, everlasting life promised to us through Christ, the eternal Word of the Father, who entered our world becoming true man and who was victorious over sin and death through His own passion, death, and resurrection.

The four candles represent the four weeks of Advent. A tradition is that each week represents one thousand years, to sum to the 4,000 years from Adam and Eve until the Birth of the Savior. Three candles are purple and one is rose. The purple candles in particular symbolize the prayer, penance, and preparatory sacrifices and goods works undertaken at this time. The rose candle is lit on the third Sunday, Gaudete Sunday, when the priest also wears rose vestments at Mass; Gaudete Sunday is the Sunday of rejoicing, because the faithful have arrived at the midpoint of Advent, when their preparation is now half over and they are close to Christmas. The progressive lighting of the candles symbolizes the expectation and hope surrounding our Lord’s first coming into the world and the anticipation of His second coming to judge the living and the dead.

The light again signifies Christ, the Light of the world. Some modern day adaptions include a white candle placed in the middle of the wreath, which represents Christ and is lit on Christmas Eve. Another tradition is to replace the three purple and one rose candles with four white candles, which will be lit throughout Christmas season.

In family practice, the Advent wreath is most appropriately lit at dinner time after the blessing of the food. A traditional prayer service using the Advent wreath proceeds as follows: On the First Sunday of Advent, the father of the family blesses the wreath, praying: O God, by whose word all things are sanctified, pour forth Thy blessing upon this wreath, and grant that we who use it may prepare our hearts for the coming of Christ and may receive from Thee abundant graces. Who livest and reignest forever. Amen.” He then continues for each of the days of the first week of Advent, O Lord, stir up Thy might, we beg thee, and come, that by Thy protection we may deserve to be rescued from the threatening dangers of our sins and saved by Thy deliverance. Who livest and reignest forever. Amen.” The youngest child then lights one purple candle.

During the second week of Advent, the father prays: O Lord, stir up our hearts that we may prepare for Thy only begotten Son, that through His coming we may be made worthy to serve Thee with pure minds. Who livest and reignest forever. Amen.” The oldest child then lights the purple candle from the first week plus one more purple candle.

During the third week of Advent, the father prays: O Lord, we beg Thee, incline Thy ear to our prayers and enlighten the darkness of our minds by the grace of Thy visitation. Who livest and reignest forever. Amen.” The mother then lights the two previously lit purple candles plus the rose candle.

Finally, the father prays during the fourth week of Advent, O Lord, stir up Thy power, we pray Thee, and come; and with great might help us, that with the help of Thy grace, Thy merciful forgiveness may hasten what our sins impede. Who livest and reignest forever. Amen.” The father then lights all of the candles of the wreath.

Since Advent is a time to stir-up our faith in the Lord, the wreath and its prayers provide us a way to augment this special preparation for Christmas. Moreover, this good tradition helps us to remain vigilant in our homes and not lose sight of the true meaning of Christmas.

HISTORY OF THE ADVENT WREATH

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29 posted on 12/06/2005 11:40:53 AM PST by NYer (“Socialism is the religion people get when they lose their religion")
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To: churchillbuff

I agree that we should go back to having at least 12 days of Christmas. That would certainly trump Adam Sandler's "eight crazy nights"!


32 posted on 12/06/2005 2:36:42 PM PST by RPTMS
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To: churchillbuff

YES!!


34 posted on 12/06/2005 4:16:05 PM PST by NewCenturions
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