...These people are here illegally. You have to provide a path for them to become legal...
So if I steal your car, you will have to find the way for me to legally keep it.
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>...These people are here illegally. You have to provide a path for them to become legal...
So if I steal your car, you will have to find the way for me to legally keep it.
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No. A person who breaks the law pays their debt to society in whatever way the court decides that he should. Sometimes that is prison. Sometimes parole. Sometimes paying a fine.
A procedure for illegals to become legals would involve jumping through administrative hoops and perhaps paying a fine. If they don't have cash, you give them a social security number and have the employer embed it and get them on the books. Then you garnish their wages incrementally to get the fine paid.
The difference between you (guys) and me is my goal is to get money from them. Your goal (inadvertently) is to increase SS taxes by deporting precious working age people who could be put on the books.
If you think they are going to continue to cheat, this procedure works in your favor. No one is more aggressive pursuing people than the IRS. If they are documented and it is found that they have jobs and are being paid under the table and not paying taxes, they'll be found by the IRS nazis, far more effectively than by immigration.
>>3rd world immigrants including Mexicans and all those illegal aliens will never help Social Security they way you think. In fact they are welfare users right now. Many or most are tax cheats and pay in minimal amounts
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Well of course they are. They are undocumented. Getting them documented is far far more valuable than deportation. Advocating deportation advocates tax increases.
>>To save Social Security, there must be a procedure put into place to convert these people into tax paying residents.
Social Security is a socialist scheme that needs to be done away with. Yet as we have seen, there is not the will in Congress to even begin that task in earnest. I'm not sure why we need a mandated retirment system at all, except that seeing it fail means a lot of people who paid into it will get screwed.
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Well, okay, if that is your goal, then let's proceed. Make sure you say it up front in the House Immigration Caucus. Have them come out in front of the microphones and say "It is my goal to take action on immigration that will destroy Social Security." Then after they lose the next election GOP primary we can move forward with their replacement getting these people to pay the fine for their illegal action and get documented.
>>Also, I don't think mass importation of unskilled labor is the answer to SS's woes. Suppose we do give amnesty to 10 to 30 million illegals, and they then did pay taxes. What is to stop another 10 to 30 million from invading the country and undercutting those workers under the amnesty, working as those here now illegally who work for less preciscely because they do not pay those taxes? What good will thirty million "amnetized" illegals do for us if they don't have a job because they have been replaced by more illegal invaders working under the table?
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I don't think the population numbers in Mexico supports this theory. Also, a part of the process is to be improved border security, isn't it?
One who pays a fine and executes the process for becoming a proper legal immigrant can't really be called amnetized, can they? Would not amnesty presume no fine, i.e., no debt to society was paid? Calling them amnetized is like calling a parolee from a prison amnetized after he serves X years for a crime. He paid his debt to society and got turned loose. Just like G. Gordon Liddy. Is Liddy amnetized? No, of course not.
The procedure is when you do something wrong, you pay your debt to society and proceed through life. A process for getting these precious working age bodies documented so that there need be no Social Security tax increases is clearly a good thing.