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To: willstayfree
" If our economy is severely hurt by this outsourcing then tariffs and other regulation would have to be imposed..."

This is part of the whole problem, the overall 'economy' is essentially judged according to how well, or poorly, business is doing. This of course means the hundreds of thousands of American workers whose jobs have been outsourced become meaningless statistics when business is good. Corporate greed has always been around to one degree or another, but corporate lust for the 'bottom line' is now devouring our own people.

The more we get entangled in this global web of "free trade" and "outsourcing" the more the world becomes a dog-eat-dog nightmare for people just trying to live and raise a family. This scenario in turn brings out the worst in man, the evil side that fights for survival. It is already turning Americans against the wide-open immigration through our Southern border, because people are tired of watching the government give away our wealth to foreignors at the expense of the financial security of our own citizens.

I honestly see it all going to hell in a handbasket, or should I say 'going to hell in a global toilet?

55 posted on 12/07/2005 11:21:13 PM PST by TheCrusader ("The frenzy of the mohammedans has devastated the Churches of God" Pope Urban II ~ 1097A.D.)
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To: TheCrusader; willstayfree
I honestly see it all going to hell in a handbasket, or should I say 'going to hell in a global toilet?

I have rarely seen such gloom and doom as with you guys. You might as well be part of the MSM and the Communists/Democrats. I assume you are just products of our present education system. It is good that you have a place like FR to come and learn something.

You live in the greatest, most generous, and freest country in the world and all you can do is dwell on what you think is wrong.

...the overall 'economy' is essentially judged according to how well, or poorly, business is doing.

Hello??? That is what an economy is, business. Now I am more convinced than ever that you are just youngsters. You probably meant society rather than economy.

This of course means the hundreds of thousands of American workers whose jobs have been outsourced become meaningless statistics when business is good.

Do you think that means those people are permanently unemployed? Would you so manage the economy as to prevent a company from making that choice? Once again, you are talking about a top-down managed economy, or Communism, not free enterprise. I wonder where you learned that?

Corporate greed has always been around to one degree or another, but corporate lust for the 'bottom line' is now devouring our own people.

Straight out of the leftist handbook. If you paid for an education you should demand your money back.

Why does anyone go into business? Usually it is to make money. Is that greed? He must provide a good or service that others are interested in or he won't be in business long. Doesn't that mean he is serving those who opt to buy his product rather than exploiting them? Perhaps you think it would be better for government to assign someone to provide that service or make that product.

If the business grows and becomes more than he can do himself he often hires someone to help him. Let's say he now needs a bookkeeper so that he can spend his time on other things. He puts an ad in the paper and agrees to pay so much for someone to do the books. A person shows up and agrees to do the work for the wage offered so he is hired. Who was harmed?

Later someone else comes to the owner and says I am a CPA and I run a bookkeeping service. I can do the same work as that guy but I will do it better, faster, and for much less. Both the owner and the bookkeeper have families to support. Where is the owners obligation?

The more we get entangled in this global web of "free trade" and "outsourcing" the more the world becomes a dog-eat-dog nightmare for people just trying to live and raise a family.

That is nothing more than what I just described but on a larger scale. Transportation and communication have advanced to the point that an American can talk to Hong Kong like the person was in the same room and he can go to Hong Kong faster than he used to be able to go to another state. Regardless, the business decision making is the same but with more competition and more options.

This scenario in turn brings out the worst in man, the evil side that fights for survival.

The "worst in man" is just that, in man. He can control it or release it but the choice is his and is not circumstance dependent. Blaming circumstances is just taking the easy way out.

It is already turning Americans against the wide-open immigration through our Southern border, because people are tired of watching the government give away our wealth to foreigners at the expense of the financial security of our own citizens.

We all agree that our borders should be controlled but for more reasons than the economy. Have you seen the economic figures lately? Despite the massive influx of cheap illegal labor and the outsourcing of work, the economy is rolling merrily along and unemployment is at 5%, a figure some consider to be intractable and unaffected by economic activity. In other words, for all practical purposes, zero unemployment.

If you have not heard of R. Buckminster Fuller you should familiarize yourself with him. He was a genius. He was not an economists or politician but he said, as best I can remember, "Free enterprise has the unique ability to transform the selfish desires of each individual into a good for all society."

If you want to see the worst in man, put him in charge of a Communist society.

63 posted on 12/08/2005 9:13:56 AM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government.)
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To: TheCrusader
Yours is a classic argument against a straw man.

the overall 'economy' is essentially judged according to how well, or poorly, business is doing.

Judged by whom? Only an ignorant idiot would say that.

This of course means the hundreds of thousands of American workers whose jobs have been outsourced become meaningless statistics when business is good.

Again, where the h-ll do you get these "facts?" We do have statistics: employment is at such a high level that until recently it was considered unattainable. The "outsourced" workers find jobs.

Corporate greed

Why did not you start with that? Just say, "I am a socialist." THere is no such thing as "corporate greed:" it's an invention of socialists. And you fancy yourself a conservative?

95 posted on 12/09/2005 3:46:16 PM PST by TopQuark
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