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"Yes, words as opposed to "noises" that are "interpreted" by the staff (ie., "payyyyyy" = "pain")"

Anytime anyone makes noises to anyone they are "interpreted"
Not just "payyy" - but also mommy, help me.

"Lunatic idiots?...you certainly do keep raising the bar now don't you?"

When you equate nurse's observations with ufo sighting I assume you must consider them lunatic idiots...yes

"Those people, and you, see what you want to see, and believe what you want to believe, to support your claims. "

According to you. I simply think people who signed affidavits under possible penalty of perjury could be telling the truth.
It appears to me that you see what you want and believe what you want. Pot calling the kettle black.

"You cling to that .001% of a chance that somebody, anybody, might be wrong, saying, "We can never be 100% certain" -- as though certainty is a requirement."

So now you're a statistician?
Yes - certainty should absolutely be a requirement in matters of life and death.

"Your statements are loaded with "could ofs" and "might ofs". Worse, they contain irrelevant and ugly gossip and innuendo as though they actually matter (Judge Greer's vision, for example)."

You don't like "could" or "might"...but you see...those are terms used by neurologists, therapists, and other experts on brain damage. If you read the links you will see that. If you are uncomfortable with uncertainty then don't read articles written by experts - because uncertainty is exactly what they describe.

As for your accusations of innuendo and gossip concerning Greer...his vision is a matter of public record that was reported in the mainstream news.

"You cite link after link, as though the sheer weight would influence me or others"

You asked for them and you got them. Now you are upset?
So sorry - I'll refrain from offering you what you ask for again.

"Even when you posted an extract from those links, it was incomplete and totally out of context."

It was not "completely and totally our of context" at all.
You offered another section for clarification and I responded to that....an examiner cannot "interpet" recorded behaviors when the records are thrown away in the trash.
That was the point.

"Whoa! Terri was given this pain reliever??"

Terri was given pain reliever for menstruation (according to staff affidavits and even an affidavit from one of Michael's ex-girlfriends)
She also received a bone scan after she expressed discomfort during a rehab session - and the bone scan confirmed she had injuries.

"Terri had no cerebral cortex. Terri could not feel pain. Terri was not conscious (even when she was "awake")."

Terri's brain was atrophied. You cannot possibly know if she felt pain. You cannot possibly know if was conscious or not.


183 posted on 12/13/2005 5:36:01 AM PST by Scotswife
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To: Scotswife
"Not just "payyy" - but also mommy, help me."

Terri said, "Mommy, help me"? This is getting to be a little much, even from you.

"According to you. I simply think people who signed affidavits under possible penalty of perjury could be telling the truth."

Could? For the third time, are you saying that YOU believe Terri could talk meaningful and appropriate words (not guttural noises)? That YOU believe she could voluntarily swallow?

Why can't you answer these simple questions?

"Yes - certainty should absolutely be a requirement in matters of life and death."

Well, there goes our whole judicial system. Too late for Tookie, however -- he'd be a free man by your standards. As would everyone on death row, and in prison, and in jail.

Beyond a reasonable doubt? No more. You must be 100% certain.

I've never read such garbage.

"...his vision is a matter of public record that was reported in the mainstream news."

And what, pray tell, is the relevance?

"Terri was given pain reliever for menstruation"

Why? Did she request it?

"according to staff affidavits and even an affidavit from one of Michael's ex-girlfriends"

I missed the link to those staff affidavits and the link to the affidavit from the girlfriend. Please re-post it.

"You cannot possibly know if she felt pain. You cannot possibly know if was conscious or not."

Are you saying that YOU believe Terri felt pain? That YOU believe she was conscious?

187 posted on 12/13/2005 5:17:14 PM PST by robertpaulsen
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