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To: NapkinUser
I loath the fact that the feds have their hands in a state issue, but this tidbit puts me between a rock in a hard spot...

"Fly in the ointment: These were the results of tests designed by state officials. On the national test mandated by No Child Left Behind, only 22 percent of Tennessee's eighth-graders passed, and only 18 percent of fourth-graders in Mississippi could do fourth-grade arithmetic. By national standards, four of every five kids in the Tennessee and Mississippi public schools are failing."

Are we as a nation supposed to look at TN and say, sucks for you guys and hope that the TN voters smarten up (literally!)

Unfortunately it's not just TN, it's nation wide. How do we combat a nation wide problem with out including the federal government? Are parent's just ignorant of their ignorant children? Are DC tax payers ignorant that spending more money on schools is obviously not working? Do they care?
7 posted on 12/08/2005 10:42:45 AM PST by tfecw (It's for the children)
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To: tfecw
" How do we combat a nation wide problem with out including the federal government?"

Simple:
let the market rule.

Let folks see the differences in the standard of living and job opportunities between states with well-educated workforces and say, Arkansas.
They'll then demand better schools.
And with the federal government out of the way, schools will be free to teach.

12 posted on 12/08/2005 11:17:40 AM PST by Redbob
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To: tfecw
How do we combat a nation wide problem with out including the federal government?

Consider that the problem was not nearly as bad when the federal government was not in the education business, beyond providing research money which in addition to it's stated purposes, also provided for the education of engineering, science and math (and occasionally economics and other social sciences) graduate students. Given that, I'd say we "include" the federal government as the Constitution allows, which is to say by getting them out of the business. Much of the problem is federal $$ and the strings that go along with them. Then there are all those federal mandates which no longer even have federal $$ attached to them. Many of those are from the unelected federal courts, but many come from Congress and the Executive Branch bureaucracy as well.

According to the Supreme Court (in the Gun Free School Zones case) education is not commerce, and thus the federal government has no power or authority in that areas.

It's a fallacy to say that just because a problem exists in most or all states, that automatically the feds must be involved. When they are involved they tend to run the train, and devise "one size fits all" solutions. Let each state and each school district find it's own solutions, or not, as the case may be. I think that without the carrot of federal dollars, and the stick of federal mandates, states and local school districts will find solutions that work for them, and will copy things that work for others.

14 posted on 12/08/2005 4:21:57 PM PST by El Gato
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