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Students Denounce Reported Assault on Prof. Who Mocked Christian Fundamentalists
The Christian Post ^ | Wednesday, Dec. 7, 2005 | Francis Helguero

Posted on 12/08/2005 12:03:25 PM PST by DaveLoneRanger

A Christian and an atheist student organization at the University of Kansas denounced the reported beating of a professor following comments he had made mocking Christian fundamentalists.

Representatives of Christian fellowship Navigators and the Society of Open Minded Atheists spoke out after two men reportedly beat Professor Paul Mirecki, making reference to a class about intelligent design and creationism that he withdrew following publication of the controversial comments

“I think I can safely speak for the organization of condemning the actions of the two people. That’s not what we’re about,” said Matt Terrill, president the University of Kansas chapter of Navigators. He said he trusts that most people will recognize that the alleged attackers don’t represent all Christians, according to the Wichita Eagle.

Andrew Stangl, president of the Society of Open Minded Atheists, which Mirecki helped as an academic adviser, said he hoped to conduct a campus rally against violence and hoped diverse groups could come closer together.

“It will help rout out extremes in all groups,” Stangl said. “We all need to stand up and overthrow this kind of fanatical thinking.

The beatings, which were reported in the Lawrence Journal-World on Tuesday, followed the cancellation of Mirecki’s proposed class, which he had originally titled "Special Topics in Religion: Intelligent Design, Creationism and Other Religious Mythologies.”

Although Mirecki struck the part of the title which refers to mythology following an outcry, he later withdrew the entire class after the situation became “untenable” following publicized e-mail messages in an online Yahoo list-serve discussion group for the Society of Open Minded Atheists. In one message, he referred to Christian fundamentalists as “fundies,” adding that the course would be a “nice slap in their big fat face.”

On the Monday following the cancellation of the proposed class, Mirecki told the Lawrence Journal-World that he had been attacked in the morning in rural Douglas County south of Lawrence while he was driving to breakfast.

After two men began tailgating him in a pickup truck, Mirecki said he pulled over hoping they would pass. When they pulled up close behind him, he said he made the mistake of getting out. He stated he was beaten on the head, shoulders and back with fists and possibly a metal object, according to the Associated Press. Afterwards he drove himself to the hospital.

Lt. Kari Wempe, a spokeswoman for the Douglas Country Sheriff’s Department told AP that Mirecki described the assailants as white men between 30 and 40 years of age. One was wearing a red visor-like ball cap and wool gloves, she said.

Vince Myers, a student who had started an online petition against the Mirecki’s proposed class, described Monday’s incident as “horrible.”

“The attacks would do more damage to the views of Christians than anything else that has happened (with the evolution debate),” he added.

Myers said he would take the petition down because the class was cancelled, according to the Wichita Eagle.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; Philosophy; US: Kansas
KEYWORDS: bewarefrevolutionist; christianstudents; creation; crevolist; evolution; intelligentdesign; ku; mirecki
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And, oh, by the way, for those who take great pleasure in assuaging your sore evolutionary ideals by assuming and insisting that I advocate violence, I don't condone attacks, verbal or physical, on evolutionists.
1 posted on 12/08/2005 12:03:26 PM PST by DaveLoneRanger
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To: DaveLoneRanger
Society of Open Minded Atheists

?? Wouldn't this make them 'agnostics'?

2 posted on 12/08/2005 12:05:47 PM PST by theDentist (The Dems have put all their eggs in one basket-case: Howard "Belltower" Dean.)
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To: gobucks; mikeus_maximus; MeanWestTexan; JudyB1938; isaiah55version11_0; bondserv; plain talk; ...
(((Creationist Ping)))



You have been pinged because of your interest regarding matters of Creation vs. Evolution - from the Creationist perspective. Freep-mail me if you want on/off this list.

Colossians 1:16 "For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him."



Most frevolutionists love to assume and believe that Creationists are merely mindless raging lunatics. But they have already demonstrated themselves willing to cling to illogical beliefs, so what the heck.

Still, I would hope that no member of the creation ping list would give anyone reason to believe this.
3 posted on 12/08/2005 12:06:37 PM PST by DaveLoneRanger ("As He died to make men holy, let us die to make men free, while God is marching on.")
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To: theDentist

Yeah, there's kind of no such thing as an open-minded atheist. They already declare their religion by labeling themselves atheist.


4 posted on 12/08/2005 12:07:26 PM PST by DaveLoneRanger ("As He died to make men holy, let us die to make men free, while God is marching on.")
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To: DaveLoneRanger

The jury is out as to whether this "assault" took place.


5 posted on 12/08/2005 12:08:06 PM PST by traderrob6
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To: DaveLoneRanger

"Society of Open Minded Atheists"

That name still makes me laugh. One, for the acronym. And two, forming a so-called "society" that excludes on the basis of "closed mindedness" and "non-Atheist" is not too terribly open minded, in and of itself. Oxymoronic, even.


6 posted on 12/08/2005 12:08:50 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: DaveLoneRanger
Can we have proof of the beatings? On an earlier thread this was being disputed by the students in the class as the professor did not seem to have any injuries...Tawana Brawley, anyone?


7 posted on 12/08/2005 12:09:23 PM PST by frogjerk (LIBERALISM - Being miserable for no good reason)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

I wouldn't ever have supposed that you would condone any kind of attack. I do have serious doubts whether this professor was attacked at all.


8 posted on 12/08/2005 12:09:46 PM PST by Bahbah (Free Scooter; Tony Schaffer for the US Senate)
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To: traderrob6
The jury is out as to whether this "assault" took place.

Exactly. Let's see the medical report from the hospital.

9 posted on 12/08/2005 12:09:56 PM PST by frogjerk (LIBERALISM - Being miserable for no good reason)
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To: DaveLoneRanger
“The attacks would do more damage to the views of Christians than anything else that has happened (with the evolution debate),” he added.

Which is why I question them.

10 posted on 12/08/2005 12:11:42 PM PST by pgyanke (The history of man is the story of God reaching out for His people and continually being refused.)
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To: Bahbah

"I do have serious doubts whether this professor was attacked at all."

Claiming that he had to wait until he got to the emergency room to inform police, and then refusing to answer his cell phone, once reporters got hold of the number and began calling it, is rather telling, imho.


11 posted on 12/08/2005 12:11:52 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: traderrob6
The jury is out as to whether this "assault" took place.

Yes, very much so. Michelle Malkin among others, is looking at it with a degree of skepticism.

12 posted on 12/08/2005 12:11:53 PM PST by Riley ("Bother" said Pooh, as he fired the Claymores.)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Good for them. I'm very glad to see it.


13 posted on 12/08/2005 12:12:44 PM PST by highball ("I find that the harder I work, the more luck I seem to have." -- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: DaveLoneRanger; hellinahandcart

From the article, I see nothing linking the assault with the professor's views. Am I missing something?

Also, isn't it telling that the atheist org has the acronym "SOMA?"


14 posted on 12/08/2005 12:13:00 PM PST by sauropod ("The love that dare not speak its' name has now become the love that won't shut the hell up.")
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To: DaveLoneRanger
He said he trusts that most people will recognize that the alleged fabricated attackers don’t represent all Christians
 
 
Owl_Eagle

(If what I just wrote makes you sad or angry,

 it was probably sarcasm)

15 posted on 12/08/2005 12:13:17 PM PST by South Hawthorne (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: traderrob6

Yeah, it smells kinda fishy...

Why was he where he was at 6:40 AM?

Did his assaulters spend the evening waiting for him in 15 degree temps?


16 posted on 12/08/2005 12:13:59 PM PST by Sometimes A River (Your hands and feet are mangoes, but you're gonna be a genius anyway)
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To: sauropod

"Also, isn't it telling that the atheist org has the acronym "SOMA?"

I was rather amused by that, myself.


17 posted on 12/08/2005 12:14:26 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry
"Society of Open Minded Atheists"

That name still makes me laugh.

Sounds like Bloom County with Opus, Cutter John, and the meadow animals in the Star Chair "Interpoop" searching for the Planet of Open Minded Stewardesses.

18 posted on 12/08/2005 12:14:48 PM PST by The_Victor (If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.)
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To: theDentist

I believe atheists deny the existence of God/diety; while agnostics say "I don't know" or deny the validity of scriptures/organized religion.

But I think they come in shades.


19 posted on 12/08/2005 12:14:51 PM PST by MeanWestTexan (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
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To: frogjerk
Exactly. Let's see the medical report from the hospital.

Michelle Malkin contacted them- they claimed HIPAA restrictions prevented them from releasing the information. And that's true- they cannot release it. But they did say that he was 'treated and released' not 'hospitalized' or 'admitted'.

20 posted on 12/08/2005 12:14:58 PM PST by Riley ("Bother" said Pooh, as he fired the Claymores.)
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To: DaveLoneRanger
After two men began tailgating him in a pickup truck, Mirecki said he pulled over hoping they would pass. When they pulled up close behind him, he said he made the mistake of getting out. He stated he was beaten on the head, shoulders and back with fists and possibly a metal object, according to the Associated Press.

Road rage?

21 posted on 12/08/2005 12:15:17 PM PST by Between the Lines (Be careful how you live your life, it may be the only gospel anyone reads.)
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To: Owl_Eagle

Innocent 'til proven guilty, Owl.


22 posted on 12/08/2005 12:16:24 PM PST by DaveLoneRanger ("As He died to make men holy, let us die to make men free, while God is marching on.")
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To: DaveLoneRanger
A Christian and an atheist student organization at the University of Kansas denounced the reported beating of a professor following comments he had made mocking Christian fundamentalists.

I'm willing to denounce the beating if it happened. Will the atheist be willing to denounce the false report if it didn't?

Will they be able go on to admit that moral relativists not be given jobs in education?

23 posted on 12/08/2005 12:16:58 PM PST by Tribune7
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To: theDentist

LOL Good point.


24 posted on 12/08/2005 12:17:40 PM PST by My2Cents (Dead people voting is the closest the Democrats come to believing in eternal life.)
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To: frogjerk

Image not working.

And Michele Malkin had a report that he had big bruises on his face. I think a metal pipe would do worse damage than that...not considering the fact that other people saw him later, and didn't see any (many) injuries.


25 posted on 12/08/2005 12:17:49 PM PST by DaveLoneRanger ("As He died to make men holy, let us die to make men free, while God is marching on.")
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To: Riley

"But they did say that he was 'treated and released' not 'hospitalized' or 'admitted'."

The reports of a broken tooth were self-reported, to the student newspaper. Why no photos, since this has such propaganda value, in a highly politicized debate?


26 posted on 12/08/2005 12:18:02 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: theDentist

#####Society of Open Minded Atheists#####

Atheists often perceive themselves as some sort of special class, a group immune to the normal tendencies of people to be influenced by fashions, peer pressure, and the like. Not all atheists are like this, but the ones who go around calling themselves "freethinkers" and "open minded" usually are. They presume that they hold their beliefs as a result of some sort of untainted rational thought, totally undisturbed by any outside influence, which in their minds puts them intellectually above the rest of us mere herded cattle.

In other words, they operate in a closed perceptual field which is precisely the opposite of what they assert.


27 posted on 12/08/2005 12:22:33 PM PST by puroresu (Conservatism is an observation; Liberalism is an ideology)
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To: Owl_Eagle

How much you want to bet that he will refuse a lie detector test if the police want to verify his story? Or he won't answer if they ask him if he knew the attackers.


28 posted on 12/08/2005 12:22:47 PM PST by Abathar (Proudly catching hell for posting without reading since 2004)
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To: RegulatorCountry
"Society of Open Minded Atheists"

It kind of works acutally.

Swallowing half an hour before closing time, that second dose of soma had raised a quite impenetrable wall between the actual universe and their minds."

29 posted on 12/08/2005 12:23:51 PM PST by Tribune7
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To: DaveLoneRanger

The 2 guys that assaulted the "professor" should be arrested and charged ..... If this "professor" is lying, then he should be charged --- and humiliated and mocked.


30 posted on 12/08/2005 12:23:52 PM PST by rface ("...the most schizoid freeper I've ever seen" - New Bloomfield, Missouri)
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To: DaveLoneRanger
And Michele Malkin had a report that he had big bruises on his face.

Of the several people who saw him and described his condition after the attack, the only one who said that there was any significant bruising was another 'Religious Studies' faculty member. The others mentioned in the pull-quote were a couple of students who said things like 'Well, he might have had a small bruise', or 'I didn't notice anything'.

31 posted on 12/08/2005 12:25:17 PM PST by Riley ("Bother" said Pooh, as he fired the Claymores.)
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To: puroresu

"freethinkers"

Invariably, self-styled Freethought societies advocate the socialist line, and advocate it freely, but that's the only thing free about their thought processes, as best I can tell.


32 posted on 12/08/2005 12:25:22 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: Riley

We should all wait for the facts, but it's not unreasonable to be skeptical given Mirecki's obvious immaturity and the track record of lefties in faking "hate crimes". Michelle Malkin's a good choice to get to the bottom of this.


33 posted on 12/08/2005 12:25:41 PM PST by puroresu (Conservatism is an observation; Liberalism is an ideology)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

I believe the anger by the RightWingProfessor and the CarolinaGuitarman, while overbroad, was certainly stoked by some particularly ignorant Christians.

I, for one, was recently subject to a diatribe by one of these "Christians" because I did not support HIS support Eric Rudolph's blowing up of abortion clinics, for example.

I have come to believe, that the anger is intentionally stoked by over-the-top posts by fake creationists, fake christians, and fake supporters of the evolutionary theory.

(For example, I engaged in private messaging with one faux Christian, and it soon became clear to me that he or she was missing such basic theological points almost any Christian would know (like what Easter is!) that they were not what they purported to be.)

In fact, it is the stated policy of several liberal groups to post over-the-top posts on FR and elsewhere in an attempt to break up the base of the Republican and/or Conservative movement along the faultlines.

Hence, we should remember "to speak the truth in love."

Or, failing that, follow Ronald Reagan's 11th Commandment -- "Do not speak ill of a fellow Republican."


34 posted on 12/08/2005 12:25:43 PM PST by MeanWestTexan (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
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To: RegulatorCountry

Yeah, it's amazing how these "freethinkers" all end up thinking alike. You'd think a group of freethinking individuals would end up with a dozen competing viewpoints, but no, they all end up agreeing with one another and patting one another on the back.


35 posted on 12/08/2005 12:28:04 PM PST by puroresu (Conservatism is an observation; Liberalism is an ideology)
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To: puroresu

True enough in principle- but sometimes the facts never come to light without a little heat under them- the Dan Rather National Guard documents story as a prime example.

Not much of that sort that can be done here at FR with this particular story- unless a close examination of the evidence reveals an irrefutable inconsistancy of some kind.


36 posted on 12/08/2005 12:30:32 PM PST by Riley ("Bother" said Pooh, as he fired the Claymores.)
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To: puroresu

Good post. In South Carolina of all places, an athiest walked up to me and commented on my pro-Christian tee-shirt and said something to the effect of: "atheists have been marginalized in this country" and actually made a comparison with the way black people were treated in the past.


37 posted on 12/08/2005 12:33:05 PM PST by dixie1202
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To: traderrob6

If it did (which I doubt), they didn't do a very good job.


38 posted on 12/08/2005 12:34:06 PM PST by mlc9852
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To: Tribune7

"Don't you want to be free and men? Don't you even understand what manhood and freedom are?" Rage was making him fluent; the words came easily, in a rush. "Don't you?" he repeated, but got no answer to his question. "Very well then," he went on grimly. "I'll teach you; I'll make you be free whether you want to or not." And pushing open a window that looked on to the inner court of the Hospital, he began to throw the little pill-boxes of soma tablets in handfuls out into the area."

For a moment the khaki mob was silent, petrified, at the spectacle of this wanton sacrilege, with amazement and horror."


"Free, free!" the Savage shouted, and with one hand continued to throw the soma into the area while, with the other, he punched the indistinguishable faces of his assailants. "Free!" And suddenly there was Helmholtz at his side-"Good old Helmholtz!"-also punching-"Men at last!"-and in the interval also throwing the poison out by handfuls through the open window. "Yes, men! men!" and there was no more poison left. He picked up the cash-box and showed them its black emptiness. "You're free!"

Ironic, ain't it? LOL.


39 posted on 12/08/2005 12:35:05 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: Acts 2:38

Yeah, that's my question. Where did they follow him from? How did they recognize him but he didn't recognize them? My bet is the guy is a fruitcake and loves attention. And he's probably homosexual, too!


40 posted on 12/08/2005 12:35:51 PM PST by mlc9852
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To: mlc9852

"And he's probably homosexual, too!"

There's been more than a little hinting around about that, on some of the comments posted to the various news sites out in KS.


41 posted on 12/08/2005 12:37:46 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry

And I was just being sarcastic but it really wouldn't surprise me to learn he is homosexual.


42 posted on 12/08/2005 12:40:36 PM PST by mlc9852
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To: puroresu
They presume that they hold their beliefs as a result of some sort of untainted rational thought, totally undisturbed by any outside influence, which in their minds puts them intellectually above the rest of us mere herded cattle.

Oh! You mean "Journalists"!

43 posted on 12/08/2005 12:44:00 PM PST by theDentist (The Dems have put all their eggs in one basket-case: Howard "Belltower" Dean.)
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To: Riley

Pure speculation on my part, but I wonder if he's one of these guys who does things like cutting people off on the road and then waving his middle finger at them. I've had that happen to me- and it seriously torqued me off.

Maybe somebody popped him in the honker over something like that, and he saw an opportunity. Something like that would be more consistant with the description of his injuries than his claim of having 'the hell beaten out of him' by 'two guys' brandishing a 'metal object'. Most guys that I've met in pickup trucks who were the type to administer a roadside beating would have left zero doubt in anyone's mind that the victim had been thrashed.


44 posted on 12/08/2005 12:45:07 PM PST by Riley ("Bother" said Pooh, as he fired the Claymores.)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

This article assumes a motive for why the professor was attacked. Looks like plain old road rage to me.


45 posted on 12/08/2005 12:48:18 PM PST by plain talk
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To: Riley

Actually now that I think about it, a middle-finger type altercation scenario on the road is a better explanation of why he pulled over to begin with, than the story that he's offered.

Again- pure speculation- but it fits the facts as we know them a lot better than his story does.


46 posted on 12/08/2005 12:49:10 PM PST by Riley ("Bother" said Pooh, as he fired the Claymores.)
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To: theDentist

LOL!!!


47 posted on 12/08/2005 12:54:55 PM PST by puroresu (Conservatism is an observation; Liberalism is an ideology)
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To: plain talk

The professor claims his alleged attackers spoke of the controvery.


48 posted on 12/08/2005 12:57:57 PM PST by MeanWestTexan (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
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To: MeanWestTexan

Maybe so - maybe not. I wouldn't believe a word this kook says anyway. He might have triggered a road rage incident and then made all this up to cover his embarrassment.


49 posted on 12/08/2005 1:00:11 PM PST by plain talk
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To: RegulatorCountry

"I don't understand anything," she said with decision, determined to preserve her incomprehension intact. "Nothing. Least of all," she continued in another tone "why you don't take soma when you have these dreadful ideas of yours. You'd forget all about them. And instead of feeling miserable, you'd be jolly. So jolly,"


50 posted on 12/08/2005 1:02:13 PM PST by Tribune7
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