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1 posted on 12/09/2005 2:26:15 PM PST by mdittmar
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Murtha characterized the events of the last two years in Iraq as "an illusionary process." Murtha is "absolutely convinced that we're making no progress at all."


I wonder what we would Call Murtha if he had said this during our own American revolution?

Benadict Arnold?


2 posted on 12/09/2005 2:29:48 PM PST by LtKerst (Lt Kerst)
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Rep. Murtha stated that "I can only measure progress by what I see and the things that I can actually measure,"

And what he sees and hears is spoon fed to him by the liberal media.

He is a tool.

If he hasn't seen the successes in Iraq, he must be intentionally avoiding the truth.

4 posted on 12/09/2005 2:41:34 PM PST by airborne (Al-Queda can recruit on college campuses but the US military can't!)
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But America fell so far behind in the political struggle -- domestically, as well as abroad -- no amount of success in the armed struggle could compensate.

We almost went down this road again. Thank God that the Administration woke up and, I think, in time, to prevent this from happening again. The tipping point was way too close.

5 posted on 12/09/2005 2:42:40 PM PST by Bahbah (Free Scooter; Tony Schaffer for the US Senate)
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Jack Murtha has a hollow soul.He is and has long been a cheap,sleazy politician.

But the most damning thing he can be called is an ex-Marine by a Marine.As such, he can not bring dishonor to the Corps.This is what some of my old Marine buddies have told me.

That being the case, he can only dishonor himself, as he most certainly has done.

6 posted on 12/09/2005 2:51:28 PM PST by smoothsailing (NamVet'68'69----NEVER FORGET)
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Like the self-made hero John Kerry, Murtha was a drill sergeant which obviously provides him with the military expertise of a Napoleon Bonaparte. Almost all of his military time was spent in the reserve.


7 posted on 12/09/2005 2:52:59 PM PST by hgro (A)
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But America fell so far behind in the political struggle -- domestically, as well as abroad -- no amount of success in the armed struggle could compensate.

Disagree. The US withdrew its military forces from Vietnam on March 29, 1973. The last American soldier to die in combat in Vietnam, Lt. Col. William B. Nolde, is killed on January 27, 1973. The South Vietnamese managed to defend their own country until we withdrew financial support starting in September 1974. The U.S. Congress appropriates only $700 million for South Vietnam. This leaves the South Vietnamese Army under-funded and results in a decline of military readiness and morale. January 8, 1975 - NVA general staff plan for the invasion of South Vietnam by 20 divisions is approved by North Vietnam's Politburo. By now, the Soviet-supplied North Vietnamese Army is the fifth largest in the world. It anticipates a two year struggle for victory. But in reality, South Vietnam's forces will collapse in only 55 days.

January 14, 1975 - Testifying before Congress, Secretary of Defense James Schlesinger states that the U.S. is not living up to its earlier promise to South Vietnam's President Thieu of "severe retaliatory action" in the event North Vietnam violated the Paris peace treaty.

January 21, 1975 - During a press conference, President Ford states the U.S. is unwilling to re-enter the war.

April 23, 1975 - 100,000 NVA soldiers advance on Saigon which is now overflowing with refugees. On this same day, President Ford gives a speech at Tulane University stating the conflict in Vietnam is "a war that is finished as far as America is concerned."

April 30, 1975 - At 8:35 a.m., the last Americans, ten Marines from the embassy, depart Saigon, concluding the United States presence in Vietnam. North Vietnamese troops pour into Saigon and encounter little resistance. By 11 a.m., the red and blue Viet Cong flag flies from the presidential palace. President Minh broadcasts a message of unconditional surrender. The war is over.

The South Vietnamese defended their country for over two years until the NVA violated the Paris Peace Accords by invading the South and finally won by military force. The North could not win politically.

8 posted on 12/09/2005 2:57:57 PM PST by kabar
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Yes this War in Iraq is alot like the vietnam war...in that there are still Stupid (In Murtha's case) or Seditious ( In Howard Dean and John Kerry's) Idiots still
Undermining our troop morale, and working to Loose this war just as we are winning.

Yes there is alot that the 2 wars reflect. The scum and usefull idiots of America's Left.


9 posted on 12/09/2005 3:05:02 PM PST by LtKerst (Lt Kerst)
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