Who is controlling the propaganda in the media? (vanity)

self | 12/11/05 | self

[starbase]

Here is my attempt to explain the entire idea in one reading. Please share any comments you have.

[wildcatf4f3]

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[Paul C. Jesup]

Joseph Goebbels is supposed to have told Adolf Hitler that if they controlled the media, they wouldn't need an army.

Wasn't Joseph Goebbels put on trial, found guilty and executed for his 'journalist actions'?

[Chickensoup]

Wasn't Joseph Goebbels put on trial, found guilty and executed for his 'journalist actions'

Yes, after untold millions died and an entire continent was brought to its knees.

[Proud_USA_Republican]

The MSM doesn't give a shit about getting the facts right. Today its all about ratings and panedering to a certain demographic. End of story.

CNN, BBC, MSNBC, ABC, Reuters, AP.

None of them care about facts. The management care about ratings and the reporters care about ego fixes & award nominations. And if the story they are reporting on isn't juicy enough for their target audience, they just make up facts and have a "hey we got deep pockets, go ahead and try to sue us for reporting lies" agenda.

[Paul C. Jesup]

Wasn't Joseph Goebbels put on trial, found guilty and executed for his 'journalist actions'

Yes, after untold millions died and an entire continent was brought to its knees.

Let's see, the U.S. leftist media/press is partly responsible for the murder of tens of millions of unborn children and they (the leftist media/press) are responsible in their support in bringing Western Civilization to it's knees through their aiding of political correctness/socialism and terrorist ideolies that are anti-western.

I guess you could make a good case that those in the leftist press/media are guilty of crimes against humanity.

[Cruz]

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[MillerCreek]

All those eager employess, writing, editing, composing, filming, typing and interpreting all that content...they come from our educational efforts.

The public schools in the U.S. are saturated, SATURATED, with communist/marxist/socialist ideology and 'values,' if they can be called that.

They produce eager employees for the media conglomerates, mostly all hired by way of referral and reference by others already there of the same ideology.

The public school system in the U.S., our educational process, has been hijacked from what used to be greatly principled, motivated and very patriotic system into one that teaches disrespect for the U.S., a hate and distrust of our country and particularly our military, and a love and admiration for personal behaviors of a questionable kind.

We would not have any "mass" anything without the humans to run the works and the media is no different than any other industry in that regard, as to where they get their employees, what they reward in who they hire and what corporate mentality they insist upon.

That a marxist/socialist structure results is due to the fact that marxist/socialists are sought out and hired and encouraged by other marxist/socialists.

[GermanBusiness]

Great post. Personally, I grew up thinking JFK and RFK were "taken care of" because they may have fully intended to sacrifice Thailand and Malaysia while not "making a deal with China"...and I am shocked that today's "establishment" hasn't taken care of any high-level chairman of major media corporations...who are obviously the forces behind nihilistic and treasonous propaganda. I am not advocating "violence" here...it just doesn't seem possible that a few media chairmen can walk around New York's Upper East Side and the Hamptons and not have "conversations" with guys like me who are placed in their country clubs and elsewhere...who work as their electricians and plumbers and surprise them constantly with "Sir...please explain to me what you are trying to do"...with the newly replaced electricians and plumbers being the same way.

I have to believe that the Bush Family is into giving the media such a long line of rope. And it is true that a single car bomb in New York City would undo the efforts of 4 years of leftist propaganda.

I think a first step is being taken, with the President and Rummy finally getting away from "safe" venues like military speeches or Pentagon briefings...and getting out in front of civilians. But they have to take it further, to the universities. I just finished reading "I am Charlotte Simmons" which is a story about a conservative 18 year old girl who goes to an Ivy League college. Tom Wolfe describes OK the left wing environment in these colleges but then shows that the "right wing environment" are mainly the rude and juvenile "frat boys" and "sororstitutes".

So the famous author depicts a gay rights protest that frat boys break up with obscenities. Not good! The conservative message on campuses would, today, be a bunch of students at a gay rights rally holding up signs saying "Support Polygamy Now!" and "Support Saddam" (a Support Saddam banner at a gay rights protest would be relevant and appropriate because it would highlight the way liberals "cause-link" in weird ways).

This meme, that there ARE conservatives on campus, has to be accepted so that authors like Tom Wolfe, when depicting a gay rights protest in a book, will NATURALLY think of how smart people would react and, thus, not write about mindless frat boys shouting 'faggot'.

[GermanBusiness]

["Support Polygamy Now!" and "Support Saddam"]

In the new book "I am Charlotte Simmons" which he researched by hanging around universities, Tom Wolfe shows how college students today are very attuned to sarcasm and have terms such as SARC1 and SARC3 to represent varying levels of subtelty in sarcasm.

This is why "ProtestWarrior.com" style counter-protesting is becoming a trend now on campuses. "Sarcastic Counter-Protesting", however, is not a meme the national media tends to talk about.

Here in Europe, the "Communists for Kerry" march on Fifth Avenue was reported on TV like it was serious and not sarcastic. Europeans saw the well-dressed conservatives marching...and it helped convince them that Kerry was the man to vote for.

Whose fault is that? Well...why is Bush not recalling the ambassador to Germany for failing to get Fox News broadcast here in Germany? What is really going on with Al Jazeera...which is located so tantalizing close to US military headquarters in Doha?

Am I supposed to be an idiot? Am I supposed to really believe that Al Jazeera is thumbing its nose at a superpower whose military HQ is half a mile down the road?

Or is there some kind of jujitsu operation going on where treasonous nihilism is promoted (secretly by the administration) worldwide so it seeps deep inside the minds of religious arabs...who will then no longer believe their religion? If you get Americans openly showing the world their unwillingness to fight...is that supposed to cause Sunni Arabs to feel the same way about fighting?

[fishbabe]

THANK YOU FOR YOUR PROPAGANDA TECH EXAMPLES!!!!!!!!!!!

[RasterMaster]

Communist Goals Fulfilled

[RoadTest]

To dispel darkness we need a light.

"Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path." - Psalm 119:105

[manwiththehands]

The America-hating hippie/socialist subculture that started in the 60's is now in power in the MSM and DemocRat party. They are only interested in an America created in their image. That's why they went gaga over Clinton and why they had to be dragged kicking and screaming into reporting any bad news from his administration.

And either they get their socialist "utopia" or we get a "scorched earth". America in their image, or no America.

[Smokin' Joe]

There is another common technique, although I do not know if it constitutes propaganda or not.

The gambit is to pick a phrase or term the one party uses and attack the phraseology as improper, hate speech, etc., and deflect attention from the substance of the question/statement to the manner in which it was asked/stated.

This gives the person the appearance of having answered a question or responded to a statement, when, in fact, they have only sideslipped the real issue.

It is the last resort of those who would attack the individual directly, but lack the ability to do so.

[purpleland]

EXCELLENT ANALYSIS. Until America entered WWII after Pearl Harbor, it's primary enemy was a domestic variety of leftists, anarchists, ACLU activists, as well as communists infiltrating government agencies. E.g., CONTROL OF THOUGHT AND ART throughout the 30's: Unless an author penned a "pro-socialist" theme in his literary work, he was ignored by critics and publishers.

The goals of Communism and Nazism are the same: one world government aka irreversible tyranny. Their vicious and deceptive tactics are the same because their ideology mandages "the means justifies the end."

Name calling will not counter the subversives' surge.
Full exposure, education and re-affirmation of values will.

BTW, Harry Belafonte and Ed Asner are loud communists.

[R. Scott]

No one is directing it, rather, for a variety of reasons, all participants have their eyes on one goal. So you can see that this effort is a monster without a head.

One of the reasons for their success is the limited number of news agencies. AP and Routers control much of news that is published in the American Press. Other papers simply take their stories off the wire and run with it. CBS, NBC, ABC and CNN control much of the broadcast news. FOX is attempting to give the impression that it remains independent.
We have half a dozen organizations gathering and disseminating the news that is fed to the majority of the American People. Even with all of these, they all appear to decide that the exact same stories are worthy of disseminating.
I look at the cases of Laci and Scott Peterson, Jennifer Wilbanks, Natalee Holloway and Michael Jackson. Is there really so much public interest in these cases that even when there is nothing to report, TV news spends a large amount of time to tell us there is no new news to report? How is it that all these stories break on the same day, even at the same time? How is it that every news outlet decides – supposedly independently – that the exact same story is worthy of major coverage? Every agency deems that only the exact same bad news from Afghanistan and Iraq is worthy of disseminating but the good news is meaningless?
A local radio newsreader – who supports the current war – is stuck with repeating the same old stuff that comes off the wires. She doesn’t have much choice, as she is only allowed to report from “legitimate” news sources. I have forwarded news articles and sources from FR that occasionally have the good news – and are “legitimate” sources. She is grateful.

Maybe there really is a cabel controlling our news.

[purpleland]

Herr Goebbels and his family died by suicide in the same bunker with Hitler. Hermann Goering went to trial but he committed suicide with a cyanide pill while imprisoned.

[cgbg]

I think you have part of it (so your post gets a "thumbs up"). :-)

An old book you might want to check out is Ludwig Von Mises "The Anti-Capitalistic Mentality".

There are certain professions that tend to be anti-capitalistic (and therefore anti-American) by their very nature.

A partial list would be:

--Teachers

--Reporters

--Artists

--Writers

--Social Service Workers

--Trade Union leadership

--People who inherit great wealth

The brilliance of the Von Mises analysis is his explanation of why such people would hate any capitalist society.

They must do so because every invention, every achievement, every great building, new great city, and new wealth is a personal insult to them and their failure to achieve in a world that won't acknowledge their brilliance but instead rewards "ignorant buffoons" called businessmen.