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vanity ^ | 12/12/2005 | Hopeful Patriot

Posted on 12/12/2005 8:53:27 AM PST by HopefulPatriot

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To: ForGod'sSake; Jeff Head; Jim Robinson
Thanks for the ping FGS.

We have sent Jeff Head a freepmail that links to a draft of the summary article for this series. There are still several articles coming in the series before the summary will be published. We plan to resume publishing the remaining articles of the series next week.

It is our hope that in the interval that Jim Robinson will decide whether he is willing to committ to leading a genuine effort to find and then implement a plan that can restore Constitution. It is certainly possible that Jim Robinson has his hands full simply keeping FreeRepublic alive and lacks the time and other resources that would be needed to lead such an effort.

We have noted that Jeff Head has returned to the forum with the post of an excellent article regarding China's aggressive militaristic buildup. We are looking foreward to hearing Mr. Head's thoughts on how our two presently separate efforts might be coordinated or even integrated.

And as always, we invite each and every Freeper to consider taking The Pledge.

181 posted on 01/12/2006 7:07:38 AM PST by HopefulPatriot (Freedom means making your own choices instead of government making the choice for you.)
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To: HopefulPatriot

Looking forward to seeing "The Rest of the Story".


182 posted on 01/12/2006 7:59:41 PM PST by ForGod'sSake (ABCNNBCBS: An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly.)
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To: ForGod'sSake
"Looking forward to seeing "The Rest of the Story".

Let's hope you have lots of company.

183 posted on 01/13/2006 5:20:00 AM PST by HopefulPatriot (Freedom means making your own choices instead of government making the choice for you.)
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To: HopefulPatriot
The Amazing Insight of Ben Franklin
184 posted on 01/14/2006 12:55:13 AM PST by ForGod'sSake (ABCNNBCBS: An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly.)
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To: HopefulPatriot
"In truth, there is a third America. This America is only a memory, or more correctly stated, a mirage that is pictured only in the minds of conservatives. This mirage is an illusion because it no longer exists in the real world. It is the United States that was defined by the Constitution. Conservatives haven't yet been able to consciously admit to themselves or to even consider the possibility that they no longer live in an America that is the USA, but rather a country that is actually the USINO."

Not this conservative. I discuss it all the time. Actually, a point John Edwards made when he was running for office, is more accurate I believe, but not for the reasons he gave. There are TWO America's. One that believes in the America founded by the forefathers and based upon the original constitution, and another created by the left.

Amazingly, it's mostly people from the first group, who now fight in Iraq, defending the America of the second group.

185 posted on 01/15/2006 12:21:31 PM PST by TAdams8591 (The first amendment does NOT protect vulgar and obscene speech.)
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To: TAdams8591
Welcome to our series; my apologies if I have missed your name before. In scanning your recent posts, I am impressed by your energy and would like to add your name to our ping list and invite you to follow the rest of the articles as they are published. Consider this my personal invitation to please consider taking The Pledge.

As for the question you raise, I would take the position that the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence define America, and in turn the character of "Americans". Democrats and the people on the left are Constitutionally perverted and therefor by definition, unamerican. We will address a mechanism of how this division can be resolved peacefully in the Great Debate.

I would also suggest that you may have missed the point that I was actually trying to make. After seventy years of Democratic rule, the laws of our country have changed to the point that the United States as defined by the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence no longer exists. We live in perverted socialistic shell of our former self, that is approaching the brink that is the fate of all democracies that become socialistic enclaves, bankruptcy or hyperinflation that destroys the wealth of the country and its people. This has been the fate of democracies for three thousand years; the United States will not be the exception.

186 posted on 01/15/2006 2:56:57 PM PST by HopefulPatriot (Freedom means making your own choices instead of government making the choice for you.)
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"I would also suggest that you may have missed the point that I was actually trying to make. After seventy years of Democratic rule, the laws of our country have changed to the point that the United States as defined by the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence no longer exists."

Thank you. It would be a pleasure to be included.

No. I understand your point and agree and have discussed it many, many times. Perhaps, I didn't make it clear in my post. The left who has been in control of the major institutions in the U.S. have made your point a reality.

I don't know that you understand my point. Most of the men who fight in Iraq, come from the group who still believes in the America founded by the forefathers (which no longer exists), and are defending the new America revolutionized by the left.

187 posted on 01/15/2006 4:35:40 PM PST by TAdams8591 (The first amendment does NOT protect vulgar and obscene speech.)
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To: TAdams8591
"I don't know that you understand my point. Most of the men who fight in Iraq, come from the group who still believes in the America founded by the forefathers (which no longer exists), and are defending the new America revolutionized by the left."

You are correct; I am not sure that I understand your comment about which America the men fighting in Iraq are defending.

Here is what I know:
My son, who has added considerable thought and editing to the material that forms the foundation of this series over the better part of the past decade and of whom I am very proud, is part of the US embassy guard in Baghdad. He and many of his comrades in arms are fighting for the America where freedom was born and protected by a Constitution. And as long as there is a chance to win the fight for freedom with ballots, he is on the same side that I am. If our side doesn't prevail with ballots and while it's true that I can't actualy speak for my son, I am certain that my son and many of the men with whom he works, are willing to defend freedom with bullets against any or all would-be tyrannts, even a tyranny of the majority if it came to that.

188 posted on 01/16/2006 6:36:47 AM PST by HopefulPatriot (Freedom means making your own choices instead of government making the choice for you.)
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"You are correct; I am not sure that I understand your comment about which America the men fighting in Iraq are defending."

Since the "old" America, as you say no longer exists, they are defending the "new" America.

189 posted on 01/16/2006 9:16:03 AM PST by TAdams8591 (The first amendment does NOT protect vulgar and obscene speech.)
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To: TAdams8591
I don't believe in compromising principles. That said, it does not mean that compromises cannot structured between parties that have apparent disagreements even if the disagreements may only be technical. Try this:


190 posted on 01/16/2006 11:35:42 AM PST by HopefulPatriot (Freedom means making your own choices instead of government making the choice for you.)
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To: HopefulPatriot
I agree with your above post.

You are the one that made the point that the America founded by our forefather's no longer exists. I agree with you. It is a far different America.

I think the soldiers in most cases believe they are defending, the America founded by our forefather's, when in fact they aren't. However, the fact that this is a far different America (and I never used the term socialist utopia) doesn't mean I believe it shouldn't be defended. I was making an observation only.

191 posted on 01/16/2006 1:15:34 PM PST by TAdams8591 (The first amendment does NOT protect vulgar and obscene speech.)
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Sounds good to me. I look forward to hearing your comments on future articles in the series.


192 posted on 01/16/2006 3:30:41 PM PST by HopefulPatriot (Freedom means making your own choices instead of government making the choice for you.)
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Old old thread bump


193 posted on 04/30/2009 7:10:00 PM PDT by listenhillary (Rahm Emmanuel slip - A crisis is a terrible thing to waste.)
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