A Republic If You Can Keep It

vanity ^ | 12/12/2005 | Hopeful Patriot

[Hank Rearden]

The plan that we are going to present on FreeRepublic is an outline of how we are going to turn ninety years of history, an almost $3 Trillion dollar government, and a country of 300 million people, 180 degrees in less than a decade. We believe that it can be done and we intend to show you how.

Let's do it. As long as "the plan" isn't "reelect Republicans", I'm in. 'Cause that's not working.

[An Old Man]

"The plan that we are going to present on FreeRepublic is an outline of how we are going to turn ninety years of history, an almost $3 Trillion dollar government, and a country of 300 million people, 180 degrees in less than a decade. We believe that it can be done and we intend to show you how."

So do I!

Semper Fi

[hosepipe]

[ You will not get an argument from us. But the one thing that Ann Coulter and other conservatives have failed to do, it to show you how to defeat some RINO's and at the same time move surviving RINO's to the right ]

WRONGO spongo.. Exposing them is stripping them naked..
Thats what Ann DOES.... AND it is the proper tactic..

Did I say shes a genius. Oh! well..

What IF republican congressmen/women STOPPED using the word democrat BUT used the word SOCIALIST instead.. on the floors of their chambers and on TV.. private consultaions everywhere..

True... thats the last you would ever see any republican on main stream TV.. BUT.. they then would be a threat.. Most Americans don't know they have swallowed socialism and are pregnant with socialistic ideas.. Most ALL of them..

Nope you're WRONG, Ann Coulter has their meddle and sticks the knife right where it belongs.. in the BABY.. The baby of socialism that America is carrying RIGHT NOW.. Lady Liberty has been RAPED and is pregnant..

[Jack Black]

Yes, I agree. And will there be any push back from the Constitutional defenders before the apogee is reached? That's still a question. My good friend and I who have discussed this topic with over many campfires and beers feels that no, definately no push back. Sheeple like acquiesence to whatever comes next (socialized medicine?). The outrage over the New London decision was short lived. (Kudos to Sean Hanity for going to the city in Florida where greed heads want to destroy an entire neighborhood.)

The Free State Wyoming and Free State (New Hampshire) project are also interesting. I agree with the criticism that there is no hope of holding the line in New Hampshire. Too surrounded by socialist thinkers, to many Mass voters moving to the border bedroom communities.

But Wyoming is an interesting play. It has the smallest population of any state, is arguably the freest and most libertarian of any state, and has some small counties that could be taken control of with enough new people moving and and harmonizing with the prevailing local trends.

It would be great to create one alternative in the USA to do things like abolish most government programs. Run with a miniscule and volunteer set of public officials, etc.

Boston T. Party wrote the book Molon Labe, which while very fanciful, outlines such a strategy. Also a web search for Free State Wyoming will show the discussion group.

That's the only semi-organized strategy I see that seems likely to succeed. Other than the second coming of Ronald Reagan, or the man on the white horse.

All things considered I think the pale horse may be the more likley one we'll see a rider on soon.

[Leatherneck_MT]

I'm with you. Please add me to your ping list.

[Leatherneck_MT]

"Both of the Big Stupid Government parties suck."

You summed up your entire post with that last sentence.

And

In my opinion, nailed the real problem on the head.

[USMC79to83]

"The plan that we are going to present on FreeRepublic is an outline of how we are going to turn ninety years of history, an almost $3 Trillion dollar government, and a country of 300 million people, 180 degrees in less than a decade. We believe that it can be done and we intend to show you how."

The Constitution is far too important to let slip from our hands. I'm in, too!

[USMC79to83]

"...I agree with the criticism that there is no hope of holding the line in New Hampshire. Too surrounded by socialist thinkers, to many Mass voters moving to the border bedroom communities..."

As a New Hampshire native, I'm dismayed that this appears to be so - I love the "Live Free or Die State." But there is no escaping the Socialist mindset in VT, MA, ME (and Quebec).

"...a web search for Free State Wyoming will show the discussion group...

I've adopted the West as my new home and this is the best news I've heard in quite a while. THANKS!

[Reaganghost]

"Free State Wyoming, Free State (New Hampshire) and it would be great to create one alternative in the USA to do things like abolish most government programs.."

These are the last ditch efforts after everything else has failed and before the second Revolutionary War breaks out. If these things happen, it will mean that all the battles to restore the Constitution will have been lost. It may be true that the socialists have been winning, but make no mistake, we certainly don't intend to lose and we will never surrender.

Americans still want to be free. When a group of candidates offers them a choice, the American people will choose freedom. Our plan will show you how FreeRepublic can be instrumental in recruiting candidates for office, yes just like "Another Ronald Reagan". We believe that we can recruit candidates made from the same mold as Ronald Reagan and cut from the same cloth as the Founders. Success not only breeds success, but it also intimidates the losers and the losers' clones.

Most Americans can still tell the difference between freedom and a free lunch. Part of the job of our candidates and part of the task for FreeRepublic is the clear concise definition of what Americans can expect if they depend on themselves versus what everyone should expect as government dependents. The problem isn't that the socialists have better arguments; the problem is that nobody has been presenting our arguments at all. Adding insult to injury, the media and our educational institutions have successfully demonized everybody that has even tried.

[HopefulPatriot]

"The Constitution is far too important to let slip from our hands. I'm in, too!"

Thank you Gentlemen! Democrats and Liberals were never understand why it took a marine to launch Toys for Tots..

[fire and forget]

Merry Christmas and thanks for the invitation. I've no time now, haven't been on Free Republic for weeks. I'll read when I can spare a few minutes.

[ol painless]

I like this one also.

http://www.libertydollar.org/

[Jack Black]

Well I'm with you on your goals. I think you should just go ahead and spill the beans on the plan at this point. Too much buildup is hookey. This isn't a pyramid scheme after all.

Free Republic is a wonderful cultural treasure for conservatives. But the focus and POWER that we had early on (I've been here since 1998) has largely disapated. This happens. It's unfortunate in some ways but its also a measure of success. Jim has elected to have a very, very broad based community and allow the widest possible discussions to take place, with only some minimal rules. It's amazing that it has worked so well.

Maybe you should for a Yahoo board to do what you want. Thats what Boston T. Party is doing with the FSW. (In fact there are several, one for 'lurkers' , one for people who have signed on).

FR is *NOT* about restoring the Constitution as a sort of mission (no matter what the outdated mission statement says) IMHO. It's about a building a place for conservatives to chat, about everything.

Here is a random list of FR topics:
Key facts about Stanley Tookie Williams case
Riots Erupt in Australia
Anti-Arab rioters smash cars, windows in Sydney
DA must prove DeLay purposely avoided fund ban
Italy tape: 'Joy' over beheading
Police Find Assault Weapon Near Supreme Court
Statement by the President [on Tueni assassination
Whirlpool to lay off 730 U.S. workers [Mexico Gains]
Was California Gov. Arnold ... Tookie Williams?
EU Official Calls for End to Death Penalty
Immigration booming as Congress grapples with border
Possible White House FREEP
Minutemen at the Polls
British Oil-Fire Cloud Spreads to France
Bush Says 30,000 Iraqis Killed in War
Crips Founder Williams Denied Clemency
Gang killings up, number of investigators down in LA
Warner Disney
Saudi Businessman Donates Millions to Georgetown and
Governor Declines To Stop Williams Execution
Bomb Ripped Apart Vehicle Carrying Canadian
Judge throws out Yosemite death lawsuit
USSC TO DECIDE CONSTITUTIONALITY OF TEXAS REDISTRICTING
Italian Player Accused of Fascist Salute (Drudge)
Japan Brokerage Must Compensate for Error
ESR's Tenth Annual Person of the Year
Donkeys vs. Christians
Investigation and Indictment of John F. Kerry
Illegal Alien Day Laborers in Shirlington
Report: Israel prepares to strike Iran
La. Governor Postpones New Orleans Vote
Vote for Alex (Freep this Poll-Vote for Little Girl
Death of an American City
A Serial Killer Shakes Up a City and a Cultural Myth
Left, Lefter and Leftest (Nemesis following hubris in
Economics for dummies
The Truth About the Chronicles of Narnia

What do you see? Lots of tabloid news, lots of celebrity news, book review, movie reivews, international news, business news. What you don't see is any particular focus on anything like restoring the republic. That might be why you come here but objectively it's now what this place is about anymore.

I actually responded to a thread on Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie and said something like "can't you do this elsewhere? what does this have to do with politics?" But its not my board to make those calls. Ditto the sports threads, daily vanity threads, pray for Bush threads, follow the talk radio threads, all this and more happily exists here.

This place is a lot more like Google News than any focused goal driven group. If that's what you want I think you need to go elswhere (and drop in here once in a while).

As I said, from what you've said I am broadly in support of your concerns and goals. Please accept this as the constructive criticism I intend it to be.

[An Old Man]

Jack, I'm dissapointed :<(

You didn't put this on your list "Spokane County Assessor Ralph Baker is sending a clear message to anyone with questions or complaints about their property assessments: Stay home .

Semper Fi

[Reaganghost]

"Well I'm with you on your goals. I think you should just go ahead and spill the beans on the plan at this point. Too much buildup is hookey...Free Republic is a wonderful cultural treasure for conservatives. But the focus and POWER that we had early on (I've been here since 1998) has largely disapated."

Your insight is excellent. Some of your other comments are also very salient, "..place for conservatives to chat..What you don't see is any particular focus on anything like restoring the republic." And, "If that's what you want I think you need to go elswhere (and drop in here once in a while..from what you've said I am broadly in support of your concerns and goals. Please accept this as the constructive criticism I intend it to be."

Our group considered everything you said, including your recommendation. We decided to make our case on FreeRepublic for several reasons:

• First, FreeRepublic is large enough and has enough band width to not only accomodate conservative chat, but also plenty of room for serious discussion of any number of conservative issues including the restoration of the Constitution. Since the virtual space of our discussion hall is essentialy infinite, there is no reason why all of these discussions cannot take place side by side without disturbing any other discussion. And on occassion, these side by side discussions might become resources for each other.
• Secondly, I suspect there are more conservative eyeballs that grace these pages than other conservative forum environments. Exposing our material to more eyeballs increases the odds that it will ultimately connect with the individuals that can actually effect the restoration.
• To some extent, the actions we would like to produce resemble the chain reactions of a nuclear reactor. If we can incite a reaction in one individual, that individual may contact and incite reactions in many others. Eventually, we might reach the people that can actually put our in plan into effect.
• Quanity of reactions is not the only thing offered by FreeRepublic. Important conservatives commonly peruse the site. If we capture the right hit on FreeRepublic, in truth, as you will see, we only have to change a single mind if the right individual happens to review our material and realize what we have to offer.
• It is literally true, we only need to convince a single individual of our plan, and assuming it is the right individual, that person will change the minds of all the other millions of minds that will need to be convinced.

As for the stringing out of the material, there are several reasons why we have chosen to do it, and a couple of reasons why it absolutely necessary. If you have paid attention to the number of views of articles posted on FreeRepublic, you have undoubtedly noticed that some can produce more than 100,000 views while others may produce less than a hundred. Some articles similar to some of these were published on another site with average hits in the high hundreds or low one thousand range without producing a critical mass reaction. We don't want to be a one shot flash in the pan; we want to generate a sustainable reaction that it will see itself through to completion. One of the prior articles alluded to our main reason for not presenting too much in a single article.

Slogans and sound bytes are great for selling Christmas cards, "When you care enough to send the very best," or winning elections, "It's the economy stupid." We admit that we aren't salesmen, but we do believe that to change 90 years of history in less than a decade and pursuade hundreds of millions of people to end socialism before socialism ends the United States is going to take more than a slogan or a sound byte. We are going to have to present a truly great debate that carries the day.

We hope you will join us in this effort and invite you and every Freeper to conisder taking The Pledge.

[writer33]

Ping!

[luvie]

Thanks for the ping...interesting stuff to read. I really NEED to learn more about the roots of FR. I just signed on and started talking and it's interesting to see where we came from and where we're going!

[hosepipe]

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[b4its2late]

"When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic."

People voting themselves money is the basis of the democrat party. So, as I see it, they've been in favor of destroying our republic for some years now.

[JDoutrider]

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