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L.A. debates governor's decision as execution nears
Mercury News ^ | Dec. 12, 2005 | Patrick May

Posted on 12/12/2005 4:04:06 PM PST by indcons

LOS ANGELES - As word spread Monday afternoon that Gov. Schwarzenegger had turned down Stanley Tookie Williams' last-ditch bid for clemency, reaction on the streets where Williams launched the Crips gang 35 years ago was muted.

Some residents were saddened by the news, saying the governor had missed a golden opportunity to show true compassion hours before Williams' scheduled execution just past midnight. Others, though, felt anything but compassion for the man whose legacy in south central Los Angeles stills seems like nothing but gang colors, bullets and blood.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: arnold; california; gangbangers; la; stanleywilliams; tookie; tookiewilliams
John Johnson, another social worker downtown whose clients include former gang members, put it this way: ``Every time a young black male or female dies from gang violence, an intelligent person would see that the guy who started this gang to begin with should be held responsible for his actions.''
1 posted on 12/12/2005 4:04:07 PM PST by indcons
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To: indcons
I'll be watching cable news to see if the Blacks burn down their neighborhoods tonight in protest.

Then they could apply to FEMA for free stuff.

2 posted on 12/12/2005 4:05:51 PM PST by TexasCajun
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To: indcons

I don't see how Arnold can expect to hold on to the Crips' vote now.


3 posted on 12/12/2005 4:08:44 PM PST by San Jacinto (Hearing something on the network news is reason enough to disbelieve it.)
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To: indcons
"true compassion"?

How much compassion did the Tookster show towards his victims?

Burn, baby, burn
4 posted on 12/12/2005 4:08:45 PM PST by stm
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To: San Jacinto

LOL....


5 posted on 12/12/2005 4:09:04 PM PST by indcons (indcons on Rush Limbaugh's show (transcript): http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1535861/posts)
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To: indcons

Quote``Homebody Industries,'' said its founder, ``stands for redemption and second chances. If you execute him, you execute that, too.''

PIFFLE


6 posted on 12/12/2005 4:10:05 PM PST by MEG33 (GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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To: indcons

"``There is a fate worse than death and that's the decision to execute a human being,'' said the Rev. Greg Boyle"

Get a grip, Reverand. Arnold didn't make the decision "to execute a human being"; the entire justice system, from trial court to Supreme Court, established by the people of California made that decision. Arnold did the right thing by not setting it aside.


7 posted on 12/12/2005 4:10:42 PM PST by hsalaw
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To: TexasCajun

Now now...there really is a smaller number of blacks compared to 1992. If they burn outside of their area, MS-13 will fire on them.


8 posted on 12/12/2005 4:10:59 PM PST by BurbankKarl
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To: stm

How much compassion did the Tookster show towards his victims?

I was going to say the same thing!


9 posted on 12/12/2005 4:11:40 PM PST by GoforBroke
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To: indcons

If you can't do the time, don't do the crime"

10 posted on 12/12/2005 4:11:49 PM PST by 45Auto (Big holes are (almost) always better.)
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To: indcons

What is truly sad, is that Tookie Williams, murderer extrordinare, will receive a relatively painless go to sleep death.

Match that with how we starved to death an innocent person (Schavio).


11 posted on 12/12/2005 4:13:21 PM PST by greccogirl ("Freedom belongs to those who are willing to sacrifice the most for it")
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To: indcons

Toot, Toot, Tookie, Goodbye !


12 posted on 12/12/2005 4:14:14 PM PST by LOC1
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To: greccogirl

That's what I was thinking too....they should have brought Ol' Sparky out of retirement for this character.


13 posted on 12/12/2005 4:15:45 PM PST by indcons (indcons on Rush Limbaugh's show (transcript): http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1535861/posts)
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To: indcons

Just tell the libs that Tookie isn't being executed - he's being aborted. Then they'll have no problem with it.


14 posted on 12/12/2005 4:16:35 PM PST by GreenHornet
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To: GreenHornet

"Tookie isn't being executed - he's being aborted."

Retro-active abortion.


15 posted on 12/12/2005 4:19:49 PM PST by hophead ("Enjoy Every Sandwich")
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To: San Jacinto
I don't see how Arnold can expect to hold on to the Crips' vote now.

Priceless.

16 posted on 12/12/2005 4:27:18 PM PST by CAWats (And I will make no distinction between the terrorists and the democrats.)
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To: indcons
Some residents were saddened by the news, saying the governor had missed a golden opportunity to show true compassion hours before Williams' scheduled execution just past midnight. Others, though, felt anything but compassion for the man whose legacy in south central Los Angeles stills seems like nothing but gang colors, bullets and blood.

Some know, they "imagine", they walk a mile in the moccassins of those who cared for those murdered by Tookie (or the gangs) - their own brutal murder of themself or someone they care for, could be next. That is what "compassion" means.

Some, however can "never" imagine such a reality for themselves or others. And seem so shocked when indeed it does happen to them. This is the tragedy, IMHO.

17 posted on 12/12/2005 4:27:23 PM PST by Alia
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To: Alia

This reminds me of the uproar over the Caryl Chessman execution 40-odd years ago. In the end he breathed hydrogen cyanide.


18 posted on 12/12/2005 4:29:21 PM PST by Publius
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To: Publius

http://microfurry.250free.com/countdown.html

Countdown clock.


19 posted on 12/12/2005 4:31:04 PM PST by CAWats (And I will make no distinction between the terrorists and the democrats.)
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To: Publius
This reminds me of the uproar over the Caryl Chessman execution 40-odd years ago. In the end he breathed hydrogen cyanide.


Did they think he was innocent?

20 posted on 12/12/2005 4:33:59 PM PST by CAWats (And I will make no distinction between the terrorists and the democrats.)
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To: hsalaw

Uh, Rev how about the decision Toolie made to execute four human beings.....?


21 posted on 12/12/2005 4:34:59 PM PST by sport
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To: CAWats
Chessman was being executed for kidnapping and rape rather than murder. The logic was that if Chessman did not take anyone's life, then he should not be executed.

Gov. Pat Brown made sure he breathed cyanide anyway.

22 posted on 12/12/2005 4:37:17 PM PST by Publius
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To: greccogirl

23 posted on 12/12/2005 4:43:28 PM PST by Prime Choice (We are RepubliCANs, not RepubliCAN'Ts.)
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To: Publius
Tell me about Caryl Chessman, pls. 40 years ago. This is significant and because the US had far more homogeneity in re right and wrong, certainly in the MSM, it did.

I remember the Robert Altman execution in CA. The threat of "candlelight vigils" surrounding San Quentin. I took my family up to the redwoods to avoid all the nonsense. In the end, CA Governor Wilson stayed the execution. I took my family out for hamburgers for lunch in Humboldt County.

Gov Wilson did right. My children were of age for all this to be discussed. They reasoned that Innocent Life is precious. And those who steal life from innocents are an evil upon a peacable, civilized society.

The same people who railed and candlelight "vigiled" for the stay of execution for Robert Alton tended to be the very same who treat cutting down "innocent trees" as an evil; and that therefore, these people were unbalanced, and possibly insane; but certainly not logical nor coherently consistent

24 posted on 12/12/2005 4:43:54 PM PST by Alia
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To: Alia
http://www.usc.edu/isd/archives/la/scandals/chessman.html
25 posted on 12/12/2005 4:47:46 PM PST by Publius
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To: indcons
Some residents were saddened by the news, saying the governor had missed a golden opportunity to show true compassion.

The governor's action did show true compassion ... to the families of the four victims that Williams mudered in cold blood.

26 posted on 12/12/2005 4:52:53 PM PST by Amerigomag
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To: indcons

I like the way the Gov said why he refused Tookie.


27 posted on 12/12/2005 4:53:22 PM PST by freekitty
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To: Publius

OMG! And so the sociopath wrote and wrote to sucker more flies into his web. WOW. Thanks for the link.


28 posted on 12/12/2005 4:53:28 PM PST by Alia
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To: everyone

Arnold's statement denying clemency is excellent. See it on realclearpolitics.com


29 posted on 12/12/2005 4:54:59 PM PST by California Patriot
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To: Publius

One of Chessman's victims lost her sanity and died in a mental ward. He as much as killed her. He deserved to die


30 posted on 12/12/2005 4:57:33 PM PST by packrat35 (The America hating bastards at the NYT must spend their entire life with their heads in the toiletat)
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To: packrat35
He deserved to die

You'll get no argument from me.

31 posted on 12/12/2005 4:59:04 PM PST by Publius
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To: CAWats

Caryl Chessman did not kill any one. He was known as the red light bandit. He would stake out lovers lanes and assault people as they were parked. I believe the controversy in the Chessman case is that he was not convicted of killing anyone.


32 posted on 12/12/2005 5:14:14 PM PST by Uncle Hal
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To: TexasCajun

I just heard tat FEMA officials have set up staging areas with bottled water and Similac, and have the Tookie memorial debit cards ready to go. . .

Rapid response teams are en route to South Central, and will be in place prior to the execution. . .


33 posted on 12/12/2005 5:14:36 PM PST by seanrobins (http://www.seanrobins.com)
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To: hsalaw

"``There is a fate worse than death and that's the decision to execute a human being,'' said the Rev. Greg Boyle"

Then I guess Tookie is suffering a fate worse than death four times over, because he "executed" four innocent people. Stop being a sap, Reverend. Look at the damage Tookie and his friends did to your community. And then tell me he's worthy of your sympathy.


34 posted on 12/12/2005 5:25:38 PM PST by popdonnelly
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To: indcons

More tookie-dookie.


35 posted on 12/12/2005 5:37:22 PM PST by OldSmaj (Hey Islam...I flushed a koran today and I let my dog pp on it first. Come get me, moon bats!)
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To: hophead
"Tookie isn't being executed - he's being aborted."
"Retro-active abortion."

LOL ... how about:
- "Life-Term Abortion",
- "Very-Late-Term Abortion", or maybe
- "Partial-Life Abortion"

36 posted on 12/12/2005 5:54:32 PM PST by NearlyNormal (Our military can always win a war, only the liberals and their MSM loose them)
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To: NearlyNormal; hophead

"Tookie isn't being executed - he's being aborted."

- "Life-Term Abortion",
- "Very-Late-Term Abortion", or maybe
- "Partial-Life Abortion"

LOL...best posts of the day.


37 posted on 12/12/2005 6:17:53 PM PST by indcons (indcons on Rush Limbaugh's show (transcript): http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1535861/posts)
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To: Uncle Hal
I believe the controversy in the Chessman case is that he was not convicted of killing anyone.

The controversy in Chessman's case was fanned by the fact that he wrote an autobiography, "Cell 2455, Death Row". It became a best seller. He was quite articulate, and sounded like someone who might be rehabilitated.

He wasn't accused of killing anyone, but as someone said, preyed on lover's lane couples. Evidently the Red Light Bandit made his women victims commit oral sex, and believe it or not in this era of Bill Clintoon, a lot of people were sincerely shocked and sickened by this.

As I recall, he turned down a plea which would have spared his life, and then made the mistake of representing himself at his trial. He himself admitted that he had a fool for a client.

He was on California's death row longer than anyone else had ever been (14 years +/-).

He was executed at San Quentin in 1960, and that stirred up a nationwide controversy about the death penalty. I believe it wasn't too long afterwards that the Supremes ruled against the death penalty, and that was probably fueled by Chessman's case.

38 posted on 12/12/2005 8:38:59 PM PST by Ole Okie
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