Posted on 12/13/2005 6:53:28 AM PST by Witch-king of Angmar
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I'll accept that on a morality and intent level. On a practical level the shooting in plain sight in a neutral country can be viewed as similar if not equivelant by the people of that country.
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You are being disingenuous. Mossad took that long to locate the man who they thought was Salemeh. The murdered the guy in less than 18 hours after he was first spotted. Seems a bit rushed to me. Especially since the Mossad professionals got their first look at him as they pulled the trigger. The ID was done by local amateurs who were recruited to keep their eyes open.
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Then you write: "Your calling it "vengeance" exposes your real objection. Sort of like people who object to the death penalty."
Nonsense, save the analysis for your shrink and respond to the words I use not your self-serving interpretation of them.
And, I have made no comment about my thoughts on the death penalty. I will say this about it vis a vis this killing...Our employment of a death penalty is by the state after arrest, trial and conviction. We do not gun people down in the street simply because they look like someone we're chasing down. That was the case in Norway. No effort was made to confirm who the target was. He looked like Salemeh and that was enough.
One final point - you call the murder a 'mistake'. Would you be so casual and dismissive if the 'mistake' happened in Israel or LA, the victim was an Israeli or an American and the killers were Arab?
"One final point - you call the murder a 'mistake'. Would you be so casual and dismissive if the 'mistake' happened in Israel or LA, the victim was an Israeli or an American and the killers were Arab?"
More equivalency where none exists.
The human rights record, self-examination, democratic values, political system and myriad other things do not require me to treat Israeli and US mistakes the way I would Arab ones. How would one recognize an Arab "mistake?" Most of their mistakes are in getting caught, like Hariri.
There is a reason that the US did not join the International Court of Criminal Justice. Such institutions are needed only by countries, like all the Arab ones, who have no internal justice, abysmal human rights and no press freedom. Why would a country who publicizes Abu Ghraib as if it were the atrocity of the century need external censure?
You are treading in dangerous water when you compare misdeeds by Israel or US to misdeeds by Arab countries.
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Please stop, you're scaring me.
it may be fair to wonder that if such a trait can be objectively observed among ashkanasi jews (as opposed to safardic jews), not just the american left element, one could argue it could be a selected trait from centuries of a very rigidly controlled role in society in europe. I assume that if you rose up against the christians in european country x in the 10th, 11th, 12th, 13th, 14th, 15th or 16th centuries, you were dead.
maybe someone who knows more about jewish history in dark- and middle-age europe can elaborate on this.
"What would you expect from a guy who would replace the guns in the hands of FBI agents with cell phones, in the DVD version of ET? If "
Is this for real? I thought it was just a south park joke.
You should know that most of South Park's jokes are rooted in truth. Drew Barrymore asked Spielberg to take the guns out of the movie for the DVD release. Milquetoast Spielberg gave in to her request.
Maybe it is a twisted Stockholm Syndrome type psychological trip that is responsible for it?
the part about replacing all actors in Empire Strikes back with Ewoks must have thrown me off....
this sort of stuff (guns for radios in ET) would not have even been good satire when ET came out.
I completely agree with you!
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