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Spielberg's Munich Massacre
The Jewish Press ^ | 12/7/2005 | Jason Maoz

Posted on 12/13/2005 6:53:28 AM PST by Witch-king of Angmar

As the Monitor noted back in July, “alarm bells went off like crazy when Steven Spielberg hired Tony Kushner last year to rewrite the script of a movie about Israel’s clandestine — and lethal — response to the massacre of Israeli athletes at the 1972 Munich Olympics.”

The Monitor found cause for concern because Kushner is a radical leftist whose views on the Middle East are hardly distinguishable from the hateful screeds found on the most rabidly anti-Israel websites.

(Excerpt) Read more at thejewishpress.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: films; islamicpsychos; islamofacism; israel; jihad; mossad; moviereview; movies; munich; muslimterror; muslimterrorists; selfhatingjew; speilberg; stevenspielberg; traitorstojudaism; waronterror
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1 posted on 12/13/2005 6:53:28 AM PST by Witch-king of Angmar
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To: Witch-king of Angmar
"There is an entirely fictional scene in the movie in which [the leader of the Israeli hit squad] and his Palestinian opposite number meet and talk calmly, with the latter getting a chance to make his case for the creation of a homeland for his people. That scene means everything to Kushner and Spielberg..... Without that exchange, 'I would [said Spielberg] have been making a Charles Bronson movie — good guys vs. bad guys and Jews killing Arabs without any context. And I was never going to make that picture.' "

That pretty much sums it up right there.

2 posted on 12/13/2005 6:57:41 AM PST by rattrap
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To: Witch-king of Angmar

WEll, it's not like anything he does is going to make Isreal *LOVED* so perhaps a bit of a reminder that the only democracy in the middle east never forgets and has always effectivly practiced 'eye for an eye' will make a better movie.

But then I'm the most Zionist Irish boy I know of:-)


3 posted on 12/13/2005 6:58:05 AM PST by RedStateRocker (Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6)
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To: rattrap

The whole Munich Massacre thing seems to boil down to Jews killing Arabs, as far as Spielberg is concerned. Amazing.


4 posted on 12/13/2005 6:59:13 AM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: rattrap

Well, I'll skip the movice and buy the book by George Jonas. Trust me he is no Liberal!


5 posted on 12/13/2005 7:03:37 AM PST by bubman
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To: Witch-king of Angmar

Shameful. And bad moviemaking.


6 posted on 12/13/2005 7:03:54 AM PST by veronica (....."send Congressman Murtha a message: that cowards cut and run, Marines never do.")
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To: ClearCase_guy

Spielberg has jumped the shark.


7 posted on 12/13/2005 7:03:58 AM PST by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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To: Witch-king of Angmar
Spielberg spends his spare time documenting the last Holocaust while working to justify the next one.

Pathetic.

8 posted on 12/13/2005 7:04:07 AM PST by wideawake
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; Lent; GregB; ..
If you'd like to be on this middle east/political ping list, please FR mail me.

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9 posted on 12/13/2005 7:05:15 AM PST by SJackson (There's no such thing as too late, that's why they invented death. Walter Matthau)
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To: BenLurkin

please refresh my memory...


10 posted on 12/13/2005 7:06:52 AM PST by RightCanuck
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To: rattrap
'I would [said Spielberg] have been making a Charles Bronson movie — good guys vs. bad guys and Jews killing Arabs without any context. And I was never going to make that picture.' "

Without any context? how about the murder of Israeli athltes in Munich? Isn't that context enough? Too bad, 'cause that's the picture most people would want to see. Instead it will be a more 'nuanced' portrayal where the concept of 'evil' or 'bad' is nonexistent. In other words, watered-down garbage.

11 posted on 12/13/2005 7:07:29 AM PST by Rummyfan
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To: Witch-king of Angmar

Spielberg and Kushner took a page from Oliver Stone's playbook. It's despicable. They portray lies as history, and young minds full of mush believe it. Oh, well, it's just 'nuancing'. Nothing to get upset about.


12 posted on 12/13/2005 7:07:40 AM PST by hershey
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To: Witch-king of Angmar

I can imagine Michael Savage's take on this.


13 posted on 12/13/2005 7:09:02 AM PST by Semper Paratus
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To: Witch-king of Angmar

has this guy seen the movie? he seems to be quoting others. that kind of thing makes me very nervous and reminds me of those who condemned "Passion of the Christ" without having even seen it.


14 posted on 12/13/2005 7:10:40 AM PST by avital2
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To: bubman

Maybe I'll give it a read......

15 posted on 12/13/2005 7:10:43 AM PST by Rummyfan
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To: RightCanuck
This is it.
16 posted on 12/13/2005 7:10:56 AM PST by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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To: rattrap

The genuine story is not squeaky clean. The Isreali hit team screwed up big time and killed the wrong person in one of their revenge killings.


17 posted on 12/13/2005 7:11:44 AM PST by HitmanLV (Listen to my demos for Savage Nation contest: http://www.geocities.com/mr_vinnie_vegas/index.html)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Exactly. The Munich massacre is a blip on the screen, barely worth mentioning.


18 posted on 12/13/2005 7:12:16 AM PST by hershey
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To: Witch-king of Angmar
More HERE...
19 posted on 12/13/2005 7:13:36 AM PST by veronica (....."send Congressman Murtha a message: that cowards cut and run, Marines never do.")
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To: bubman

http://www.georgejonas.ca/book.cfm?id=16


20 posted on 12/13/2005 7:13:41 AM PST by mal
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To: Witch-king of Angmar

Spielberg has outlived his ability.
He hasn't made a decent movie in a while.

And, I will never understand why Jews tend to be leftists, and support those who support their tormentors. It's so illogical.


21 posted on 12/13/2005 7:14:58 AM PST by brownsfan (It's not a war on terror... it's a war with islam.)
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To: ClearCase_guy
How the HELL do these guys morally equate the televised SLAUGHTER! of "sports stars" to the hunting down of their killers?
Palestinians had a ethnic or political grudge? So the *&%) what?! A (perceived) 'grievance' makes the act of murder in a liberals mind 'understandable'?
Would that they (liberals) give one tenth of the 'understanding' prowess they afford genocidal maniacs to understand the point/s of view of the vilified 'Christian right' they so abhor in the US.

*sigh*
I'm very unhappy.

Note to Tony, Steven.....their still going to come for you.
22 posted on 12/13/2005 7:16:41 AM PST by DesignerChick
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To: Witch-king of Angmar
"There is an entirely fictional scene in the movie in which [the leader of the Israeli hit squad] and his Palestinian opposite number meet and talk calmly, with the latter getting a chance to make his case for the creation of a homeland for his people. That scene means everything to Kushner and Spielberg..... Without that exchange, 'I would [said Spielberg] have been making a Charles Bronson movie — good guys vs. bad guys and Jews killing Arabs without any context. And I was never going to make that picture.' "

Small credit is given for admitting the scene is fictionalized, BUT.......

Jews killing Arabs without context? How about the "context" of the '72 Olympics. It's the basis for the whole movie, dope.

The group assigned to kill the terrorist plotters were required to meet face to face with their targets. The only conversation, however, was to tell the mark why he was being killed, then dispatching him. You can forget the Palestinian Homeland diatribe. The only thing this POS had time to say was "uuuuhhhh" as he died from "lead poisoning."

23 posted on 12/13/2005 7:19:36 AM PST by edpc
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To: ClearCase_guy
The whole Munich Massacre thing seems to boil down to Jews killing Arabs, as far as Spielberg is concerned. Amazing.

Unfortunately, for many Jews, being a Jew revolves around being a victim. Once Jews began to defend themselves and win wars, many Jews became uncomfortable with being Jewish. It's almost as if they have a sick feeling of rightousness as a victim. As long as it's always the other Jews being killed, they're OK with it... It also allows them to believe that they're special, as survivors.

It's a rather sick pathology that I've observed in my own family.

Mark

24 posted on 12/13/2005 7:21:12 AM PST by MarkL (I swear by my pretty floral bonnet that I will end you!)
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To: Witch-king of Angmar

What would you expect from a guy who would replace the guns in the hands of FBI agents with cell phones, in the DVD version of ET? If any movie deserved to be a Charles Bronson flick, it was this one.


25 posted on 12/13/2005 7:22:31 AM PST by rabidralph
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To: BenLurkin
Spielberg has jumped the shark.

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That he has, but let's not forget that he produced "Gremlins".

We were forewarned.

26 posted on 12/13/2005 7:23:09 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: avital2

The trailer for this movie has already shown up on TV, and the voiceover clearly states -- as you see an explosion in a high rise building -- that the real story is what happened after Munich. You see young Israeli's looking upset, presumably because they're being told to kill Arabs...one even says something about being a teacher who never dreamed he'd be asked to become an assassin. According to Spielberg, the villain here is Israel.


27 posted on 12/13/2005 7:23:26 AM PST by hershey
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To: HitmanNY

Collateral damage.


28 posted on 12/13/2005 7:23:52 AM PST by hershey
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To: MarkL

I agree - seen it repeated a number of times both in my 'extended' family and with colleagues.


29 posted on 12/13/2005 7:25:31 AM PST by NHResident (i)
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To: DesignerChick
A (perceived) 'grievance' makes the act of murder in a liberals mind 'understandable'?

It seems to as far as lesser evils are concerned, so probably, yes. I was talking with my liberal friend when she waxed all political, so I mentioned a college professor who started talking about "Republic*nts* in his livejournal. "Well, of course I don't support that, but I'm sure he was frustrated." The liberal who was the only one to get physical at a counterprotest I attended? "Frustrated". The infamous "Let's Kill Rumsfeld" ad? "Frustrated".

So yeah, apparently hurt feelings can be used to justify all manner of stuff. Seems awfully childish to me...

30 posted on 12/13/2005 7:29:00 AM PST by Foxfire4
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To: Witch-king of Angmar

This is the first opinion I've encountered (anywhere) that shares my utter ickiness as to Tony Kushner being hired on to redo/offer another script for MUNICH.

I've opined elsewhere about Kushner in relationship to MUNICH's script, but never read same by anyone else.

So, it's encouraging to read that someone else gets the problem here, and especially that a Jewish source would.

The first script was written by Eric Roth (wrote adaptation for "Forest Gump" among other works) and Kushner was said by Speilberg to be hired to redo a script based upon the need for "humanizing" the story.

I could barely believe the counter spin about that, and the selection of who and why...I knew there would be a problem with this project from that moment forward.


31 posted on 12/13/2005 7:36:06 AM PST by MillerCreek
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To: avital2
has this guy seen the movie? he seems to be quoting others. that kind of thing makes me very nervous and reminds me of those who condemned "Passion of the Christ" without having even seen it.

It's where the right and left come together - commentators on both sides feel free to criticize works they haven't seen based on the politics, presumed or otherwise, of the artists.

It's dumb when they do it, and it's dumb when we do it too.

32 posted on 12/13/2005 7:37:17 AM PST by highball ("I find that the harder I work, the more luck I seem to have." -- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: hershey

Sucks if it's you, though.

Our side loses credibility when we treat things like that cavalierly. We can't expect a government to be perfect, but we can expect them to be accountable.

Calling that screwup collateral damage isn't wise, and turns more people off than it turns more people on. I know its a turnoff for me, and for most open minded, fair thinking people.


33 posted on 12/13/2005 7:37:51 AM PST by HitmanLV (Listen to my demos for Savage Nation contest: http://www.geocities.com/mr_vinnie_vegas/index.html)
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To: Witch-king of Angmar

Has anyone (also) read the persons advising Spielberg about this film? Former Clinton Administration person, among others...

I'll see if I can find the article about it and post a link here if I do, which specifies exactly who is behind this film and being used by Spielberg on this (and other) films as advisors...


34 posted on 12/13/2005 7:40:37 AM PST by MillerCreek
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To: Witch-king of Angmar

Oh, man, talk about a cooler! The early trailers for this looked great, but the more I read about it, the less I want to waste my money on this work of fiction masquerading as fact.

Sounds like another Michael Moore-on hatchet job to me!


35 posted on 12/13/2005 7:43:30 AM PST by ssaftler (Politically Correct isn't! Progressives aren't!)
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To: hershey
Collateral damage.

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Collateral damage????? Do you even know the story? The hit team murdered an innocent civilian on the streets of a European city. Forget about the true tragedy which put Israel on the same level as the original terrorists (foreign hit team kills innocent), look at the response...Care to calculate the damage done to Israel in the local press over this?

36 posted on 12/13/2005 7:43:35 AM PST by wtc911 (see my profile for how to contribute to a pentagon heroes fund)
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To: Rummyfan

There was a movie made back in the 80's about this.

It was called "Sword of Gideon".

No big-name actors - but it was still well done.


37 posted on 12/13/2005 7:45:20 AM PST by MplsSteve
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To: MarkL
Unfortunately, for many Jews, being a Jew revolves around being a victim. Once Jews began to defend themselves and win wars, many Jews became uncomfortable with being Jewish. It's almost as if they have a sick feeling of rightousness as a victim. As long as it's always the other Jews being killed, they're OK with it... It also allows them to believe that they're special, as survivors. It's a rather sick pathology that I've observed in my own family.

I read a book on the Eichmann trial and the impact it had on Israel. Up to that point, there was a clear division in Israel. Holocaust victims who had moved to Israel were pretty much despised by the other Israelis, many of which had fought for Israel's independence, because they didn't fight back against the Nazis.

38 posted on 12/13/2005 7:45:41 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: MarkL
Once Jews began to defend themselves and win wars, many Jews became uncomfortable with being Jewish.

I've noticed this in my family of leftist secular Jews as well--it is most disturbing. I prefer to follow the lead of the Jews in Warsaw who fought back. Fighting back is always better!

39 posted on 12/13/2005 7:46:19 AM PST by ariamne (Proud shieldmaiden of the infidel--never forget, never forgive 9/11)
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To: MplsSteve

I caught "Sword of Gideon" on TV. It was terrific.


40 posted on 12/13/2005 7:46:57 AM PST by hershey
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To: wtc911

Comparable to the man whom the British police shot dead after the tube bombings...that's what I meant.


41 posted on 12/13/2005 7:48:26 AM PST by hershey
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To: rattrap

What's his beef with Charles Bronson?


42 posted on 12/13/2005 7:48:52 AM PST by Constantine XIII
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To: Witch-king of Angmar

I hope someone is organizing some nice demonstrations in front of theaters showing this movie. It is amazing that there is not one intellectually honest person left in Hollywood. Next: World War II from poor, picked-on Hitler's perspective. Apparently Oliver Stone is already making a 9/11 film from the poor, picked-on terrorists' perspective.


43 posted on 12/13/2005 7:50:08 AM PST by 3AngelaD
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To: hershey
Comparable to the man whom the British police shot dead after the tube bombings...that's what I meant.

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OK, fair enough....but imho not even close. The Brits were reacting to a dynamic event on their own turf while the Israelis were out-of-bounds and had plenty of time to plan.

I applaud the Israelis for taking the action they did but we really can't (andshouldn't) view the innocent death as anything other than an avoidable tragedy.

44 posted on 12/13/2005 7:53:32 AM PST by wtc911 (see my profile for how to contribute to a pentagon heroes fund)
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To: Witch-king of Angmar
A rather acerbic, crassly worded article, but here it is:

http://www.laweekly.com/ink/06/02/deadline-finke.php

"...Spielberg has assembled a team of pro advisers to confront the protestations that are sure to occur.

"The team consists of Dennis Ross, a well-known U.S. diplomat who played a leading role in shaping Middle East policy in the George H.W. Bush and Bill Clinton administrations and is now the Washington Institute’s counselor and Ziegler distinguished fellow; Mike McCurry, President Clinton’s White House spokesman, now a for-hire political strategist; and Allan Mayer, a crisis PR specialist with Los Angeles–based Sitrick and Company who has advised Spielberg for several years..."

45 posted on 12/13/2005 8:13:17 AM PST by MillerCreek
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To: wtc911

Nothing about the Munich massacre or the entire Middle East situation is simple. But what would you have had Israel do at the time? In the context of relative Jewish passivity during the Holocaust, there was enormous danger in doing nothing. There'd already been airplane hijackings, etc., the Achille Lauro hijacking (Leon Klinghoffer dumped overboard in his wheelchair). The Munich massacre was the last straw. In today's context, if Israel did nothing when Hamas blew up cafes and malls, murdering hundreds of innocents, how long would that govt. last? And here comes Iran, boasting of nukes and Israel's imminent destruction. Nothing is simple, but hard choices have to be made and you put your trust in God.


46 posted on 12/13/2005 8:14:25 AM PST by hershey
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To: hershey

agreed.


47 posted on 12/13/2005 8:16:02 AM PST by wtc911 (see my profile for how to contribute to a pentagon heroes fund)
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To: brownsfan
"...I will never understand why Jews tend to be leftists, and support those who support their tormentors. It's so illogical."

My wondering, too. The history of Jewish Leftism-and-communism-affiliations is a mystery to many of us, given that the Jewish people have suffered the most under extreme socialism and because of it. (As have we all.)

48 posted on 12/13/2005 8:16:35 AM PST by MillerCreek
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To: MillerCreek
"Kushner"

Like Oliver Stone and Michael Moore I regard Kushner as an American traitor. I regard Spielberg as just a fool, but Kushner crossed over the line with his remarks about Bush and America. I refuse to patronized any of his works. It's hard to avoid many works by anti-American writers and hacks, but as much as I can, I will try to do so. Avoiding seeing "Munich" is a start.

49 posted on 12/13/2005 8:18:39 AM PST by driftless ( For life-long happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: hershey
There'd already been airplane hijackings, etc., the Achille Lauro hijacking (Leon Klinghoffer dumped overboard in his wheelchair). The Munich massacre was the last straw.

The Achille Laugo incident happened long after the Munich massacre.

But you're right. Back then, Israel had a "no negotiation" policy when it came to terrorists. And it worked. Only once they began to "talk" did terrorist attacks become more successful, and more frequent. The terrorists saw it as a sign of weakness.

Mark

50 posted on 12/13/2005 8:18:45 AM PST by MarkL (I swear by my pretty floral bonnet that I will end you!)
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