Study Sheds Light On Early Migration (Americas)

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution ^ | 12-13-2005 | Mike Toner

[Little Bill]

The Brazilian person had a web site, I lost it, got a link.

[blam]

""You call THAT a clovis point?" (Pulls out much larger stone spearhead....) "Now THIS is a clovis point, mate!!!!"

Immigrants From The Other Side (Clovis Is Solutrean)

[VadeRetro]

Yes, it's a blam thread but maybe a look. Ping.

[Alas Babylon!]

LOL!!!!

Bill, I think we've posted this same article to each other on more than one occasion!

[Harmless Teddy Bear]

Does this mean "native American" tribes may have to give up their casinos and claims to sovereignty?

No. The treaties are valid and will remain so no matter if the American Indians arrived five minutes before Columbus.

[Verginius Rufus]

If the American Indians arrived five minutes before Columbus, shouldn't the Norwegians have the casinos?

[Verginius Rufus]

Maybe we should go with Paleovespuccians, rather than Paleoamericans.

[Harmless Teddy Bear]

Nah because they didn't bother to stick around.

They packed their bags and headed back to sunny Iceland as soon as it got cold. ;)

[blam]

"Bill, I think we've posted this same article to each other on more than one occasion!"

LOL. Probably. It's one of my 'throw-down' threads that saves a lot of talking.

[Dustbunny]

So much to ponder.

[PatrickHenry]

Yes, it's a blam thread but maybe a look. Ping.

Definitely worth a look. I'm pinging a few who may have a specific interest.

[Coyoteman]

Thanks for the ping. Good stuff. The mtDNA is starting to get interesting too.

[CarolinaGuitarman]

Thanks for the ping! Very interesting stuff; don't know if I can add anything to it but it's always nice to read new things.

[SunkenCiv]

Wow. I didn't know there *was* an internet 15,000 years ago!

[rimshot!]

Nope, I don't. I take it you've tried a web search?

[SunkenCiv]

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Walter+Neves+

[Drammach]

Many anthropologists and archeologists believe at least two ancient waves of human settlement came to North America and then South America.

I thought that current ( last 20-25 years or so ) theory suggested at least 3 waves of migration..
Any idea why this article's author is only suggesting 2 ??

Wave migration theory aside, I would think there would have been thousands of years of storm-borne travellers brought to the shores of both americas and the the gulf islands..
I would even guess this would not be considered a rarity..

While not a massive, purposeful population shift, chances are there was enough accidental migration to establish some small populations throughout the americas prior to any of the asian - bering straits migrations..

[blam]

"I thought that current ( last 20-25 years or so ) theory suggested at least 3 waves of migration.. "

Oppenheimer said his DNA study shows three entries but later on, he said that there could have been as many as five.

"Any idea why this article's author is only suggesting 2 ?? "

No. IMO, we've got a long way to go before a final answer is in.

[Verginius Rufus]

They packed their bags and headed back to sunny Iceland as soon as it got cold.

Yes, but not before taking the trouble to travel all the way to Minnesota to leave a stone inscription on the future farm of a Swedish immigrant.

[Varda]

I've only read the abstract on this but (FWIW) Neves doesn't seem to be making a logical argument. He's claiming that because the morphology of ancient Indians is different than that of present Indians that therefore they descend from different populations. However this description proves the fallacy of that assumption.

"These earliest South Americans tend to be more similar to present-day Australians, Melanesians and sub-Saharan Africans,"

Australians (Aborigines) and sub-Saharan Africans are morphologically similar and genetically dissimilar. In fact they are so genetically dissimilar there are no human groups less related to each other.

[blam]

"Australians (Aborigines) and sub-Saharan Africans are morphologically similar and genetically dissimilar. In fact they are so genetically dissimilar there are no human groups less related to each other.

I agree. Everyone outside Sub-Saharan Africa are closer related than to anyone presently in Sub-Saharan Africa. In fact, the 'out-of-Africa' line that (suposedly) produced all of us, went extinct in Africa thousands of years ago.

Neves is pretty good so, I expect this is a translation or writers error.

Oppenheimer says the Orang Alsi (Malaysia) have the oldest DNA on earth.