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To: Irontank

WORLD: Could you be specific? What were some of the "Dark Ages" innovations that show the folly of considering Greek and Roman culture the apex of civilization until recent times?

STARK: How about the perfection and widespread use of waterwheels, windmills, and pumps, the invention of the compass, stirrups, the crossbow, canons, effective horse harnesses, eyeglasses, clocks, chimneys, violins, double-entry bookkeeping, and insurance?


Ummm... lessee:
1) Waterwheels: in regular use by the Romans.
2) Windmills: 7th century BC, Persia
3) Pumps: Regular use by the Romans
4) Compass: Chinese
5) Stirrups: Chinese
6) Crossbow: Roman
7) Cannon: Derived from Chinese gunpowder
8) Horse Harnesses: Probably Mongolian
9) Eyeglasses: apparently simultaneous development around 1280 in Italy and China
10) Clocks: first mechanical, Antikythera mechanism, 87 BC Greece
11) Chimneys: Northern Europe, 1200's
12) violins, double-entry bookkeeping, and insurance: Yawn.

OK. Does this guy have some sort of point?


3 posted on 12/14/2005 8:37:19 AM PST by orionblamblam ("You're the poster boy for what ID would turn out if it were taught in our schools." VadeRetro)
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To: orionblamblam
12) violins, double-entry bookkeeping, and insurance: Yawn.

Yawn, nothing - double-entry bookkeeping and insurance are of staggering historical and economic importance. Nevertheless, the Romans certainly had insurance, and probably had double-entry bookkeeping too.

6 posted on 12/14/2005 9:30:38 AM PST by SedVictaCatoni (<><)
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