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(Tookie) Supporters of executed man want ‘statesman’s’ funeral
chronicle journal ^ | 12-14-05

Posted on 12/14/2005 9:48:21 AM PST by doug from upland

World News
Supporters of executed man want ‘statesman’s’ funeral
By The Associated Press
Dec 14, 2005, 00:07

SAN FRANCISCO — The argument over whether convicted killer Stanley (Tookie) Williams was a man of peace or a death-row con artist raged on after his execution Tuesday, with supporters announcing they would give him a funeral “befitting a statesman.”

The 51-year-old founder of the bloody Crips gang died by injection at San Quentin Prison just after midnight for the murders of four people in two 1979 holdups, professing his innocence to the very end, even when an admission of guilt might have helped save his life. His last, best hope was an act of mercy by Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger. But the governor was unconvinced by Williams’ supporters, several Hollywood stars among them, who argued that he had redeemed himself behind bars with memoirs, children’s books and lectures against the dangers of gang life.

After the execution, Williams’ supporters vowed to continue his work to discourage youngsters from following in his footsteps, and promised another book from writings he left behind.

“If they think they succeeded by killing him in getting people to forget about him, they have done just the opposite,” said Barbara Becnel, his collaborator and most vocal supporter.

Williams declined to make a final statement as he went to his death.

He seemed frustrated by the time it took officials to insert the intravenous lines into the former bodybuilder’s muscular arms. At one point, Williams uttered something to the nurse and offered to help, said Steve Ornoski, the warden. About 15 minutes after the process began, he appeared to ask: “You doing that right?”

Williams refused a sedative, said Becnel, one of the witnesses. She said he was “brave and strong and he was everything we believed him to be.”

Other witnesses included Rudy Langlais, executive producer of Redemption: The Stanley Tookie Williams Story, a TV movie starring Jamie Foxx.

Joan Baez, who sang Swing Low, Sweet Chariot outside the prison, called the execution “planned, efficient, calculated, antiseptic, cold-blooded murder.”


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: stanleywilliams; tookie
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1 posted on 12/14/2005 9:48:22 AM PST by doug from upland
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To: doug from upland

People in Hell want ice water too.


2 posted on 12/14/2005 9:49:43 AM PST by NY Attitude (You are responsible for your safety until the arrival of Law Enforcement Officers!)
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To: doug from upland

Bury - or cremate - him inside San Quentin and be done with it.


3 posted on 12/14/2005 9:49:48 AM PST by Emmett McCarthy
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To: doug from upland
Williams refused a sedative, said Becnel, one of the witnesses.

Why would he need or be offered a sedative for a painless process?

4 posted on 12/14/2005 9:49:52 AM PST by wideawake
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To: doug from upland

“If they think they succeeded by killing him in getting people to forget about him, they have done just the opposite,” said Barbara Becnel, his collaborator and most vocal supporter."

Tookie who???


5 posted on 12/14/2005 9:50:20 AM PST by GeorgiaDawg32 (Islam is a religion of peace and they'll behead 13 year old girls to prove it...)
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To: doug from upland

"Joan Baez, who sang Swing Low, Sweet Chariot outside the prison, called the execution “planned, efficient, calculated, antiseptic, cold-blooded murder."

Joan, we know your thinking is addled, but murder is when you intentionally kill some innocent person for your own selfish reasons. Murder is what Williams did to four people. You have demonstrated that you don't know what you're talking about.


6 posted on 12/14/2005 9:51:10 AM PST by popdonnelly
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To: doug from upland

If he wanted to be buried like a statesman, he should have been Zimbabwean.


7 posted on 12/14/2005 9:51:15 AM PST by Brilliant
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To: wideawake
He died a peaceful death. I don't understand what his fans are so upset about.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie.Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

8 posted on 12/14/2005 9:51:27 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: doug from upland

Hitler was a statesman.


9 posted on 12/14/2005 9:52:44 AM PST by popdonnelly
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To: popdonnelly

God, Joan Baez is crazier than the proverbial bedbug.

Did she sing "Swing Low, Sweet Chariot" for the victims of Tookie's rage? Course not. She loves killers and hates their victims.

What a putz.


10 posted on 12/14/2005 9:52:52 AM PST by RexBeach ("The rest of the world is three drinks behind." -Humphrey Bogart)
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To: doug from upland
(Tookie) Supporters of executed man want ‘statesman’s’ funeral

How about just dumping him in a land fill?

11 posted on 12/14/2005 9:54:06 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy, and Bush is no conservative)
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To: wideawake
Why would he need or be offered a sedative for a painless process?

For the nerves, I'd guess. I have no issue with his execution, but it's got to be scary as hell to walk into a room where you're going to be killed.

Anybody seen any good source material on his 'redeemed' behavior in prison? I have heard stories which suggest that he terrorized his fellow inmates and that the staff was relieved to be rid of him.

12 posted on 12/14/2005 9:54:54 AM PST by Riley ("Bother" said Pooh, as he fired the Claymores.)
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To: wideawake
Why would he need...a sedative...

Because anyone facing execution would be extremely nervous. Don't you think so?

13 posted on 12/14/2005 9:54:58 AM PST by Churchillspirit (Anaheim Angels - 2002 World Series Champions)
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To: doug from upland
The argument over whether convicted killer Stanley (Tookie) Williams was a man of peace or a death-row con artist raged on after his execution Tuesday, with supporters announcing they would give him a funeral “befitting a statesman.”

Like they did for his victims. /sarcasm

14 posted on 12/14/2005 9:55:02 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Brilliant

Maybe Idi Amin will adopt him


15 posted on 12/14/2005 9:55:58 AM PST by joesnuffy (A camel once bit my sister-we knew just what to do- gather large rocks & squash her-Mullet Ho'mar)
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To: doug from upland
The CRAZY exhibit their craziness for all to see.....In America, logic is turned upside down!
16 posted on 12/14/2005 9:56:16 AM PST by goodnesswins (Merry Christmas......and if you don't like that, you don't get a day off....got it?)
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To: doug from upland

Let the dead bury their own dead. Matthew 8:22.


17 posted on 12/14/2005 9:56:16 AM PST by BraveMan
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To: joesnuffy

I think that 'ol Idi is at room temperature.


18 posted on 12/14/2005 9:56:46 AM PST by Riley ("Bother" said Pooh, as he fired the Claymores.)
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To: doug from upland
The argument over whether convicted killer Stanley (Tookie) Williams was a man of peace or a death-row con artist raged on after his execution Tuesday, with supporters announcing they would give him a funeral “befitting a statesman.”

They had better not finagle one dime of taxpayer dollars for this. Hope John and Ken and Zig are on the lookout for any such chicanery.

19 posted on 12/14/2005 9:57:25 AM PST by JennysCool (Non-Y2K-Compliant)
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To: Riley

He was put in isolation for a while after he threw cleaning chemicals in a guard's face.


20 posted on 12/14/2005 9:58:40 AM PST by wideawake
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To: doug from upland

"with supporters announcing they would give him a funeral “befitting a statesman."

They meant a "statesman wannabe". These people are sick.


21 posted on 12/14/2005 9:59:02 AM PST by popdonnelly
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To: doug from upland


It's so good that the left cares so much about crooks in our society.


22 posted on 12/14/2005 9:59:03 AM PST by Tzimisce
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To: doug from upland
SAN FRANCISCO — The argument over whether convicted killer Stanley (Tookie) Williams was a man of peace or a death-row con artist raged on after his execution Tuesday, with supporters announcing they would give him a funeral “befitting a statesman.”

Here's MY "salute to Tookie!

...............

That's the proper salute to a Muredering Gang Thug!

23 posted on 12/14/2005 9:59:24 AM PST by Itzlzha ("The avalanche has already started...it is too late for the pebbles to vote")
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To: GeorgiaDawg32

You know, that old Steppenwolf song from about 1968-69, "Tookie-Tookie"


24 posted on 12/14/2005 9:59:27 AM PST by Red Badger (And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him)
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To: doug from upland

If I were running the FBI, I would be really carefully watching and wiretapping anyone who would hold or attend a "statesman's" funeral for this guy, because there's a high likelihood that they're racketeers and organized criminals.


25 posted on 12/14/2005 10:00:00 AM PST by jpl
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To: doug from upland

"...a funeral “befitting a statesman.”

I'm sure that's what the Yang's, Yang Lin, and Owens want him to have. Oh, that's right, he blew them away. Never mind.


26 posted on 12/14/2005 10:00:25 AM PST by gate2wire
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To: Churchillspirit
Sure, but I wouldn't want a sedative even if I was nervous. You'd want to be awake and alert as long as possible.
27 posted on 12/14/2005 10:00:33 AM PST by wideawake
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To: doug from upland

Then the supporters should pay for all of it, and reimburse the state of California for the jail and trial costs.


28 posted on 12/14/2005 10:00:40 AM PST by AD from SpringBay (We have the government we allow and deserve.)
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To: jpl

I propose a 21 gun salute. Preferably pointed at snoop dogg, mike farrel, jesse jackson, and the rest of those racist criminal enablers.


29 posted on 12/14/2005 10:00:56 AM PST by manglor
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To: GeorgiaDawg32

I'll remember him. I just won't remember him the way his supporters want me to remember him.

I'll remember him as a murder who callously took the lives of at least four others. I'll remember him as someone who chose his own fate and had to face the consequences of that choice.

I hope he truely did repent of his sins. I hope God forgave him of those sins and that Tookie is now in heaven.

God is all knowing. God is merciful. God is forgiving.

However, we are not all knowing. We cannot simply let someone that committed multiple murders on more than one occasion walk free.

We also don't have the responsibility to support him in a life of incarceration when he willingly took the lives of others.

We cannot have a society without punishing crimes.

Our society did not rush to punich Tookie. He was found guilty in a court of law where the burden of proof was on the prosecution.

He was given ample opportunities to show that he was not given a fair trial.

He was given ample oppertunities to repent his sins to God.

In the end justice was served.


30 posted on 12/14/2005 10:02:48 AM PST by untrained skeptic
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To: Itzlzha; doug from upland
I still haven't been able to get an answer as to why The Tookster was allowed to wear his ear bling on death row...curious.

32 posted on 12/14/2005 10:02:58 AM PST by ErnBatavia (403-3)
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To: Red Badger
You know, that old Steppenwolf song from about 1968-69, "Tookie-Tookie"

Then there was that song that spun off from the old TV series "Seventy Seven Sunset Strip"

"Tookie, Tookie, lend me your comb"

33 posted on 12/14/2005 10:04:55 AM PST by ErnBatavia (403-3)
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To: jpl

That was my first thought. What an opportunity for arrests. It is like those police stings in which they tell criminals they've won and prize, and they should come to a certain location to collect it.


34 posted on 12/14/2005 10:06:51 AM PST by doug from upland (Hasta la vista, Tookie)
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To: doug from upland; All

I knew it.. lol

see post 1017 - http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1538914/posts?page=1017#1017


35 posted on 12/14/2005 10:07:04 AM PST by Dubya-M-Dees (Mary Mapes was the first in the MSM that had to participate in an election by the people... she lost)
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To: doug from upland

They can do whatever they want as long as the American taxpayers don't pay for it. Enough stench is enough!


36 posted on 12/14/2005 10:07:37 AM PST by lilylangtree
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To: All
JOHN AND KEN MUST COVER THIS LIVE ON THE AIR!
37 posted on 12/14/2005 10:07:40 AM PST by doug from upland (Hasta la vista, Tookie)
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To: doug from upland

I propose that from now on, instead of saying "I need to take a crap", people should say "I'm going to drop tookie off at the pool." Now, that is a fitting legacy.


38 posted on 12/14/2005 10:09:55 AM PST by gate2wire
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To: doug from upland

I supported the execution, because justice must be done on vicious murderers. But I don't think the law says anything about dishonoring the body of an executed criminal. I believe the usual procedure is to turn the dead body over to the next to kin, to give it whatever kind of funeral ceremony they see fit. If there are no next of kin, then it depends on his last will and testament, statements he made before the execution, or the best judgment of the authorities as to who represents him or is closest to him.

Let Hollywood and the Crips give him a fancy funeral if they like. I think it will be about as useful for their propaganda purposes as Paul Wellstone's funeral. In other words, most people will see it as grotesque, and it will backfire against any stars who participate in it.


39 posted on 12/14/2005 10:10:17 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: doug from upland
“If they think they succeeded by killing him in getting people to forget about him, they have done just the opposite,”

the media has pretty much forgetten him already...

40 posted on 12/14/2005 10:12:39 AM PST by latina4dubya
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To: jpl

I just spoke with the local FBI in Los Angeles and gave them the heads up. Bechnel is looking for a venue that can handle 16,000 people. I told the FBI agent that there must be 10% of that crowd with outstanding felony warrants. It could be a very productive day for them.


41 posted on 12/14/2005 10:13:55 AM PST by doug from upland (Hasta la vista, Tookie)
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To: All

Had Tookie received life without parole 25 years ago, and died of natural causes, would there be clamoring for a statesman's funeral?


42 posted on 12/14/2005 10:14:35 AM PST by WillVoteForFood
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To: doug from upland

As far as I'm concerned, they can give him a Pharaoh's funeral complete with camels and dancing girls. Just don't come around here to pass the hat...

BTW. Given that a rather strong poison is used, are the remains released uncremated? Does anyone have any factual data?


43 posted on 12/14/2005 10:14:44 AM PST by heldmyw
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To: doug from upland

I heard that his girlfriend refused to attend the late-nite execution, telling him; " Some of us have to get up in the morning."


44 posted on 12/14/2005 10:15:13 AM PST by desertsolitaire (M.O.O.N. that spells SCARY.)
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To: wideawake
I admire your nerves.
45 posted on 12/14/2005 10:16:40 AM PST by Churchillspirit (Anaheim Angels - 2002 World Series Champions)
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To: Cicero
Let Hollywood and the Crips give him a fancy funeral if they like. I think it will be about as useful for their propaganda purposes as Paul Wellstone's funeral. In other words, most people will see it as grotesque, and it will backfire against any stars who participate in it.

When somebody wants to make a fool of themselves, get out of the way and let them. I agree.

46 posted on 12/14/2005 10:17:32 AM PST by Riley ("Bother" said Pooh, as he fired the Claymores.)
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To: doug from upland
That's awesome, nice job!

I really hope they follow up on it and don't just ignore it. Organized criminals are scum in my book, regardless of whether they're street gang-bangers or made members of the Cosa Nostra.

47 posted on 12/14/2005 10:18:45 AM PST by jpl
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Does Mike Farrell dare not show up at the funeral? He cannot diss the Tookster.

A limo should offer a special package and sell it on eBay.

48 posted on 12/14/2005 10:19:30 AM PST by doug from upland (Hasta la vista, Tookie)
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To: doug from upland

RIOT!! RIOT!!!! Grab the popcorn


49 posted on 12/14/2005 10:19:42 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: doug from upland

They'd better decide what they want to do and do it quickly, because I expect Tookie to be raised from the dead any day now.


50 posted on 12/14/2005 10:21:15 AM PST by Southside_Chicago_Republican (Just say "No" to Judy Baar Topinka)
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