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To: untrained skeptic

"How do we streamline our deportation process yet still give due process to those who may qualify for aslyum or meet residency requirements? "

Illegals are not entitled to due process, only citizens. Out they go.

Employers who have been breaking the law employing illegals for decades get no sympathy from me at all. If they go out of business then they've earned it. But they won't, they'll adapt and pay living wages to legal Americans. It might be painful for some at first, but that pain is deserved, and will be more short-lived than the problems their illegal behavior has caused.


27 posted on 12/14/2005 6:52:06 PM PST by wvobiwan (It's OUR Net! If you don't like it keep your stanky routers off it!)
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To: wvobiwan

bump!


28 posted on 12/14/2005 6:57:49 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: wvobiwan
Illegals are not entitled to due process, only citizens. Out they go.

Easy to say, but first you have to determine if they have a legal right to be here under our laws, which is where the due process part comes in.

As soon as you verify that they have no legal right to be here, out they go, but lawyers have made it very difficult to get to that point quickly.

We need to find a way to make the process work, because right now it's broken and we simply can't process all the illegal aliens we do catch, and we all know the ones we catch are a small fraction of the ones out there.

Employers who have been breaking the law employing illegals for decades get no sympathy from me at all. If they go out of business then they've earned it.

Fair enough. However, a lot of the illegal aliens work for small contracting companies. Construction is an area where this seems to be common. The builder hires a sub, they don't have any real way to verify that the workers the sub hires are legal, and they'd likely get themselves sued if the tried over violating some equal employment act.

Take away the workers and that sub contractor goes under. The builder has a harder time getting subs. He builds less houses in a year. The price of homes goes up effecting home buyers. The demand for building supplies goes down which hurts other companies.

The economy shrinks. It's not just those employers that hired illegal workers that suffer, they're actually a very small part of it.

Wages are based on either supply and demand, or they're based on how much a union can squeeze out of an industry before they destroy it.

Our unemployment rate is at 5%. Historicly it doesn't stay much lower than that. There aren't a lot of unemployed people out there looking for work. In general illegal aliens aren't holding down the best jobs either.

Expecting a large increase in wages in agriculture and manufacturing due to getting rid of illegal labor is a pipe dream. Increased wages will drive up costs to the point where imported goods will destroy the competitiveness of domestic goods.

Where it doesn't do that the result is inflation. A few people make more money and all the consumers pay the price.

We live in a time of low unemployment and low inflation. If you want a better job that pays more educate yourself and train yourself to do a skilled trade that is in demand.

It might be painful for some at first, but that pain is deserved, and will be more short-lived than the problems their illegal behavior has caused.

Like I said, we need to deport illegal aliens.

We need to teach people to respect our laws. We need to be selective in who we allow to come to our country to work.

But with an unemployment rate of 5%, I'm not buying this story of overwhelming harm to american workers. It doesn't add up. We need to keep growing our economy, not shrink it. However, we need to stop ignoring our own laws. We need sensible legal immigration and we need to prevent immigrants from overstaying and we need to prevent them from bankrupting us through government entitlements meant for citizens.

31 posted on 12/14/2005 7:44:18 PM PST by untrained skeptic
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