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Sistani plays major role, but from sidelines
Jordan Times / AP ^ | 12/15/05 | Hamza Hendawi

Posted on 12/15/2005 7:01:25 AM PST by Valin

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To: USF

'tis a PUZZLEMENT!

I guess we get to choose. We either support the gang that want to turn the planet into an ash-covered wasteland to welcome the mahdi, or...what is it the wahhabi want? I lose track. The death of Jews, Christians and Hindu etc., obviously they both converge. And where they converge, is where we are all dead.

How's it going in Congress? I wonder if they have learned anything yet.


21 posted on 12/15/2005 3:48:31 PM PST by Fred Nerks (Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free pdf download - link on My Page)
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To: Fred Nerks
Darn, this islam thing is getting more and more commercialized every year. Its all about money nowadays. If its profits, not prophets, there wont be any good madhi either.

See, after all the mahdi is supposed to be a descendant of the profit, and the descendant of a profit (if not reinvested) will be interest, and we all know charging or dealing with interest is haram!

If the mahdi is haram, does this mean the mahdi could really be shaitan in disguise? I guess thats why they say reading into islamic texts is best left to the "scholars." Its so they can hide the truth from us!

22 posted on 12/15/2005 3:54:22 PM PST by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade ™ © ®)
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To: USF

The mahdi can only return when the planet has been suitably prepared for him - the mahdi is of course, shaytan, lucifer, beelzebub, baal, bal zevuv, the great destroyer; the 'filth eater' of the Bushmen of the Kalahari, the feathered serpent, Quetzelcoatl or Kukulcan of the meso-americans, The Rainbow Serpent of the Australian aboriginals, the Celestial Dragon of the Chinese...

Inasmuch as Congress needs to study the Koran and hadith and the entire history of the cult of mohammad, we need to study the work of Immanuel Velikovsky.

The mahdi is the same great destroyer as was feared by all the ancients all over the planet.



23 posted on 12/15/2005 4:14:54 PM PST by Fred Nerks (Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free pdf download - link on My Page)
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To: USF

24 posted on 12/15/2005 4:25:38 PM PST by Fred Nerks (Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free pdf download - link on My Page)
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algonquin

egyptian

25 posted on 12/15/2005 4:49:46 PM PST by Fred Nerks (Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free pdf download - link on My Page)
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The Signs of the Reappearance (Qiyam) of the (Imam) who
undertakes the Office (al-Qa'im), Peace be on him, the
Period of Time of his Appearance, an Explanation of his
Life and an Extract of what is revealed about his State.




Traditions have been reported mentioning the signs for the time of
the appearance of the Imam who will arise (qa'im), peace be on him,
and the events which will take place before his appearance, together
with the indications and features of it. Among them are: The Sufyani
will come out in revolt; the Hasanid will be killed; the Abbasids will
dispute over worldly kingdom; there will be an eclipse of the sun in
the middle of the month of Ramadan; there will be an eclipse of the
moon at the end of that month in contrast to ordinary happenings;
the land will be swallowed up at al-Bayda'; it will be swallowed in the
east-it will be swallowed up in the west; the sun will stay still from the
time of its decline to the middle of the time for the afternoon prayer;


it will rise from the west; a pure soul (nafs zakiyya) will be killed in the
outskirts of Kufa with seventy righteous men; a Hashimite will be
slaughtered between the corner (of the Ka'ba) and the station of
Abraham); the wall of the mosque of Kufa will be destroyed; black
standards will advance from Khurasan; al-Yamani will come out in
revolt; al-Maghribi will appear in Egypt and take possession of it
from Syria; the Turk will occupy the region of al-Jazira; the
Byzantines will occupy Ramla; the star will appear in the east giving
light just like the moon gives light; then (the new moon) will bend
until its two tips almost meet; a colour will appear in the sky and
spread to its horizons; a fire will appear for a long time in the east
remaining in the air for three or seven days;

the Arabs will throw off
the reins and take possession of their land, throwing out the foreign
authority; the people of Egypt will kill their ruler and destroy Syria;
and three standards will dispute over it (Syria); the standards of Qays
and the Arabs will come among the people of Egypt; the standards of
Kinda (will go) to Khurasan; horses will come from the west until
they are stabled in al-Hira; the black standards will advance towards
them from the east; the Euphrates will flood so that the water comes
into the alleys of Kufa; sixty liars will come forward, all of them
claiming prophethood, and twelve will come forward from the family
of Abu Talib, all of them claiming the Imamate; a man of important
rank of the supporters of the 'Abbasids will be burnt between Jalula'
and Khaniqin; the bridge next to Karkh in the city of Baghdad will be
established;


a black wind will raise it at the beginning of the day and
then an earthquake will occur so that much of it will be swallowed up;
fear will cover the people of Iraq and Baghdad; swift death (will
occur) there and there will be a loss of property, lives and harvests;
locusts will appear at their usual times and at times not usual so that
they attack agricultural land and crops and there will be little harvest
for what the people planted; two kinds of foreigners will dispute and
much blood will be shed in their quarrel; slaves will rebel against
obedience to their masters and kill their masters (mawali); a group of
heretics (ahl al-bida) will be transformed until they become monkeys
and pigs; slaves will conquer the land of their masters; a cry (will
come) from the sky (in such a way) that all the people will hear it in
their own languages; a face and a chest will appear in the sky before
the people in the centre of the sun; the dead will arise from their
graves so that they will return to the world and they will recognize one
another and visit one another; that will come to an end with twenty-
four continous rainstorms and the land will be revived by them after
being dead and it will recognize its blessings; after that every disease
will be taken away from those of the Shia of the Mahdi, peace be on
him, who believe in the truth; at that time they will know of his
appearance in Mecca and they will go to him to support him.



(These signs) are as the reports have mentioned. Among the total of
these events are some which are bound (to happen) and other which
are conditional. God knows best what will take place. We have only
mentioned them on the basis of what is recounted in basic sources of
tradition (usul) because of their inclusion in traditions which have
been handed down. From God we seek help and Him do we ask for
success.


(But you knew all that, didn't you?

http://al-islam.org/masoom/bios/12thimam.html


26 posted on 12/15/2005 5:26:46 PM PST by Fred Nerks (Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free pdf download - link on My Page)
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To: Fred Nerks

I seem to recall some people saying that Muslims aren't ready for democracy, that they need a strongman to rule them. I guess someone should let the Iraqis know.


27 posted on 12/15/2005 8:23:43 PM PST by Valin (Purple Fingers Rule!)
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To: Valin

It's catching on isn't it? Can't wait for January!


28 posted on 12/15/2005 9:20:47 PM PST by Fred Nerks (Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free pdf download - link on My Page)
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To: Fred Nerks
LOL... out of all the signs for the "qiyamat" (day of reckoning) they seem to obsess about eclipses and earthquakes the most.

Now, I know they pray for allah to shake the ground, and one day *ZAP* their prayers will be answered, but when they get to "smell jannah" which they think will be allahs celestial whorehouse they will be hugely disappointed.

So leaving the easily reinterpreted "signs," such as messages beaming around the world (modern communication), the dead coming back to life (advancements in medical science), who's disrespecting who, paying interest and dancing etc, it leave us with the sky watchers. This where Velikovsky comes in, right?

29 posted on 12/16/2005 4:55:20 AM PST by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade ™ © ®)
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To: Fred Nerks
Lets not forget our friends the Ahmadis!

They're not too poular in Pakistan for announcing the mahdi (Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani ) already came, and the rest of the ummah missed it!

The mahdi is here!

For our Mahdi, there are two signs which have never appeared before, since the creation of the heaven and earth, namely, the moon will be eclipsed on the first night in Ramadhan (on the first of its appointed nights of eclipse), and the sun will be eclipsed on the middle day of Ramadhan (middle of the appointed days of eclipse). And these signs have not appeared since the creation of heaven and earth. (Saying of the Holy Prophet of Islam "Darqutni")

Great Signs of the Truth of Imam Mahdi & Promised Messiah Fulfilled!">

The Holy Quran Says :

When the eye is dazzled, and the moon is eclipsed, and the sun and the moon are brought together (i.e. the Sun will also eclipse), on that day man will say, ‘Whither to flee?’ (Surah Al-Qiyamah, 75:8-11)

The Holy Bible Says :

Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken ; And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven. (Matthew Ch. 24 Verse 29 & 30.)

The Holy Prophet of Islam (SAW) Said :

For our Mahdi, there are two signs which have never appeared before, since the creation of the heaven and earth, namely, the moon will be eclipsed on the first night in Ramadhan (on the first of its appointed nights of eclipse), and the sun will be eclipsed on the middle day of Ramadhan (middle of the appointed days of eclipse). And these signs have not appeared since the creation of heaven and earth. (Sunan Darqutni)

The Promised Messiah Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani (A.S.) Said :

I swear by God in whose hand is my life, that He has manifested this sign in the sky to attest to my truthfulness; …… I have been given such a sign which was not given to anybody else from the time of Adam to the present time. In short, I can stand in the sacred precincts of the Ka'ba and swear that this sign is for testifying my truth. ( Dafeul Bala'a, p. 18 )


Eclipses and The Promised Messiah

The year 1994 commemorates a century of the lunar and solar eclipses witnessed during the month of Ramadhan on Wednesday, the 21st of March and Friday, the 6th of April 1894 respectively two heavenly signs which the Holy Prophet of Islam (sa) prophesied would mark the advent of the Promised Messiah and the Imam Mahdi. This article is the first of the series which we shall be publishing to mark the fulfilment of this prophecy with the advent of the Promised Messiah and the Imam Mahdi - Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad(as) of Qadian.....



"Islam, the religion of lies for any occasion™"

30 posted on 12/16/2005 5:48:54 AM PST by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade ™ © ®)
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To: USF

"...it leave us with the sky watchers.

This where Velikovsky comes in, right?"

And numerous other historians both ancient and recent:

http://www.hope-of-israel.org/amalekit.htm








31 posted on 12/16/2005 3:10:28 PM PST by Fred Nerks (Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free pdf download - link on My Page)
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To: USF

When the eye is dazzled, and the moon is eclipsed, and the sun and the moon are brought together (i.e. the Sun will also eclipse), on that day man will say, ‘Whither to flee?’ (Surah Al-Qiyamah, 75:8-11)

And a great darkness descended over the land of Egypt...rmember?

http://www.portal.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2001/11/04/wmet04.xml&sSheet=/news/2001/11/04/ixhome

Ovid:
"the earth burst into flame,
the highest parts first,
and split into deep cracks,
and its moisture all dried up.
The meadows are burned to white ashes;
the trees are consumed,
green leaves and all,
and the ripe grain
furnishes fuel for its own destruction ...

Great cities perish with their walls,
and the vast conflagration reduces whole nations to ashes."

http://personal.eunet.fi/pp/tilmari/tilmari4.htm


32 posted on 12/16/2005 3:54:32 PM PST by Fred Nerks (Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free pdf download - link on My Page)
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To: USF

Assyrian cylinder seal. Moon Crescent & 'heavenly body' probably Venus.

The ancient egyptians had a saying I like:

'Happened that which never happened before nor since.'

33 posted on 12/16/2005 7:55:51 PM PST by Fred Nerks (Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free pdf download - link on My Page)
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To: Fred Nerks

Thanks Fred.

I have images in my head of man made "comets" raining down from the heavens one day to bring them what they have been begging for.

Their predictions of the destruction of the kabah will come true one day, and the "treasures" will be beautiful pearls of glass.


34 posted on 12/16/2005 9:39:49 PM PST by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade ™ © ®)
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To: USF

Symmetry. It ends as it began. Appono Astos.


35 posted on 12/16/2005 9:48:44 PM PST by Fred Nerks (Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free pdf download - link on My Page)
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