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Hamas wins in West Bank elections
BBC ^ | 12-16-2005 | BBC

Posted on 12/16/2005 10:04:59 AM PST by sergey1973

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To: OldArmy52
"Formal establishment of a terrorist state"...

Just what I thought, too.
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Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us.
Peace will come when an Arab leader is courageous enough to wish it.


--Golda Meir

21 posted on 12/16/2005 11:02:05 AM PST by IntheHillsGolden
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To: samadams2000

Israel's original position was that known or suspected terrorists who surfaced would be arrested. Unfortunately Israel was pressured not to follow that policy, in the name of democracy.


22 posted on 12/16/2005 11:11:07 AM PST by SJackson (There's no such thing as too late, that's why they invented death. Walter Matthau)
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To: sergey1973

Must be some crazy elections ... hmmm who to choose ??? the terrorist group arafat started or the terrorist group that iran is currently running ... man tough decisions at the polls these days... surprised al qaeda didnt run.


23 posted on 12/16/2005 11:39:56 AM PST by Element187
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To: Thorin

wait until AL Sadr's party gets in govt in Iraq.


24 posted on 12/16/2005 11:56:30 AM PST by xerex
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To: sergey1973

Nie dziwie sie z tego Sergiej. wrzeczywistosci faktow lezy problem smorluoawania interesu osobistosci.

Co slychac u Ciebie Sergiej? Poza tym dzieki za "ping." Bog zaplac. Wesolych Swiat od nas i ode mnie sczegulnie, zycze tobie i twojej rodzinie.


25 posted on 12/16/2005 1:16:31 PM PST by anonymoussierra (Gloria, Gloria, Gloria in Excelsis Deo, Amen!!!)
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To: anonymoussierra

OK, who pulled a prank and shifted all your keys over one?

(Just kidding.)


26 posted on 12/16/2005 1:41:59 PM PST by mcg1969
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To: mcg1969; sergey1973; All

I do know :}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} dear "mcg1969" friend.




“Are you surprise by this elections?. Eto fore this is ontero stage of Hamas propaganda.

Look what is happening in Iraq; infore “thank you” eto your great nation “On shining hill” for it; now that is true elections.”

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Thank you "mcg1969"


27 posted on 12/16/2005 1:50:22 PM PST by anonymoussierra (Gloria, Gloria, Gloria in Excelsis Deo, Amen!!!)
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To: USF

Does that mean UNWRA is now officially feeding and supporting a State run by terrorists?


28 posted on 12/16/2005 5:30:00 PM PST by Fred Nerks (Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free pdf download - link on My Page)
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To: funkywbr
Very GOOD NEWS!!! This means that the Israeli/palestSCUMian conflict comes to an end finally, shortly.

That's kind of what I was thinking.

29 posted on 12/16/2005 5:31:27 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: Fred Nerks
They have for ages, but yes, NOW it will be "official!"

Time to shut the UN down and confiscate their assets for supporting terrorists.

No more jizya to filthy islamic terrorists! Let them fester in their own islumic sewers and try to figure out how to evolve, or die.

OIC, you are next on the list.

30 posted on 12/16/2005 9:23:11 PM PST by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade ™ © ®)
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To: USF

"Time to shut the UN down and confiscate their assets for supporting terrorists."

But WE will have to define what Terrorism IS. The UN won't, and we know why, don't we?


Terrorism's Silent Partner at the United Nations:



By Joshua Muravchik
Posted: Thursday, October 21, 2004

ON THE ISSUES
AEI Online
Publication Date: October 21, 2004


This essay is also available in Adobe Acrobat PDF format.

With the Organization of the Islamic Conference defending any act committed on behalf of "national liberation," the United Nations cannot even issue an unequivocal condemnation of terrorism, let alone join the struggle to eliminate it.

This month, the United Nations Security Council voted to condemn terrorism. The resolution was introduced by Russia, still grieving over the terrorist attack on a school in Beslan, and perhaps the unanimous vote will give it a measure of solace. But the convoluted text and the dealings behind the scenes that were necessary to secure agreement on it offer cold comfort to anyone who cares about winning the war against terrorism. For what they reveal is that even after Beslan and after Madrid and after 9/11, the UN still cannot bring itself to oppose terrorism unequivocally.

Terrorism As a Right

The reason for this failure is that the Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC), which comprises fifty-six of the UN's 191 members, defends terrorism as a right.

After the Security Council vote, U.S. ambassador to the United Nations John C. Danforth tried to put the best face on the resolution. He said it "states very simply that the deliberate massacre of innocents is never justifiable in any cause. Never."

But in fact it does not state this. Nor has any UN resolution ever stated it. The U.S. delegation tried to get such language into the resolution, but it was rebuffed by Algeria and Pakistan, the two OIC members currently sitting on the Security Council. (They have no veto, but the resolution's sponsors were willing to water down the text in return for a unanimous vote.)

True, the final resolution condemns "all acts of terrorism irrespective of their motivation." This sounds clear, but in the Alice-in-Wonderland lexicon of the UN, the term "acts of terrorism" does not mean what it seems.

For eight years now, a UN committee has labored to draft a "comprehensive convention on international terrorism." It has been stalled since day one on the issue of "defining" terrorism. But what is the mystery? At bottom everyone understands what terrorism is: the deliberate targeting of civilians. The Islamic Conference, however, has insisted that terrorism must be defined not by the nature of the act but by its purpose. In this view, any act done in the cause of "national liberation," no matter how bestial or how random or defenseless the victims, cannot be considered terrorism.

This boils down to saying that terrorism on behalf of bad causes is bad, but terrorism on behalf of good causes is good. Obviously, anyone who takes such a position is not against terrorism at all-but only against bad causes.

No Closer to Progress

The United States is not alone in failing to get the Islamic states to reconsider their pro-terror stance. Following 9/11, UN secretary-general Kofi Annan pushed to break the deadlock on the terrorism convention. He endorsed compromise language proscribing terrorism unambiguously while reaffirming the right of self-determination, but the Islamic Conference would not budge.

Far from giving ground on terrorism, the Islamic states have often gotten their way on the issue, with others giving in to them. As early as 1970, for instance, the UN General Assembly adopted a resolution "reaffirm[ing] . . . the legitimacy of the struggle of the colonial peoples and peoples under alien domination to exercise their right to self-determination and independence by all the necessary means at their disposal."

Everyone understood that this final phrase was code for terrorism. Similar formulas have been adopted repeatedly in the years since. Originally, the Western European states joined the United States in voting against such motions. But in each of the last few years the UN Commission on Human Rights has adopted such a resolution with regard to the Palestinian struggle against Israel, with almost all the European members voting in favor.

Danforth may feel that the U.S. position was vindicated in the new Security Council resolution, but that is not what OIC representatives think. As Pakistan's envoy to the UN, Munir Akram, put it: "We ought not, in our desire to confront terrorism, erode the principle of the legitimacy of national resistance that we have upheld for 50 years." Accordingly, he expressed satisfaction with the resolution: "It doesn't open any new doors."

Who is right? Hours of parsing the resolution will not resolve that question. But in the end it does not matter. As long as the Islamic states resist any blanket condemnation of terrorism, we will remain a long way from ridding the Earth of its scourge. And the United Nations, in which they account for nearly one-third of the votes, will be helpless to bring us any closer.

Joshua Muravchik, a resident scholar at AEI, is working on a study of the United Nations that will be published by the AEI Press early next year. A version of this article appeared in the Los Angeles Times on October 19, 2004.





31 posted on 12/16/2005 9:54:12 PM PST by Fred Nerks (Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free pdf download - link on My Page)
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To: Fred Nerks; Dark Skies
Heh, thanks for reposting that!

A handy guide to islamic terminology, excerpts from USF's "Islam to Plain English Dictionary™©®" below:

Terrorist

1. Those who dare resist our jihad to exterminate them.

2. Those who kill muslims.

Jihad

1. Islamic obligation ("fard") to stop all forms of "terrorism*"
*see word "terrorism" above

2. Islamic obligation ("fard") to conquer the globe and subjugate all under islam.

Peace

The result of the completion of all forms of jihad and killing every man, woman child on earth, until only the one who is the most perfect muslim is left.

Shaitan

He who is left to have the last laugh.

32 posted on 12/16/2005 10:52:32 PM PST by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade ™ © ®)
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To: sergey1973
As Sha'i says, "The Oslo Abomination" hopefully is now FINALLY dead, along with Oslo 2, "The Road Map".

See www.deprogramprogram.com for the best middle east commentary. No Spam, I am a listener.

33 posted on 12/17/2005 1:17:35 PM PST by blasater1960 ( Ishmaelites...Still a wild-ass of a people....)
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