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White House 'never told' of WMD doubts (Powell opens up!)
Herald Sun ^ | 18 December 2005

Posted on 12/17/2005 6:14:13 PM PST by Aussie Dasher

THE US administration was never told of doubts about the secret intelligence used to justify war with Iraq, former secretary of state Colin Powell told the BBC in an interview to be broadcast on Sunday night.

Mr Powell, who argued the case for military action against Saddam Hussein in the UN in 2003, told BBC News 24 television he was "deeply disappointed in what the intelligence community had presented to me and to the rest of us."

"What really upset me more than anything else was that there were people in the intelligence community that had doubts about some of this sourcing, but those doubts never surfaced to us," he said.

Mr Powell's comments follow US President George W. Bush's acceptance earlier this week of responsibility for going to war on intelligence, much of which "turned out to be wrong".

US involvement in Iraq since the March 2003 invasion has led to the loss of 2,140 of its troops and badly hit the Republican president's popularity.

The opposition Democrats have increased calls for a timetable for a military withdrawal.

But ahead of this week's parliamentary elections in Iraq, President Bush insisted he was still right to order the invasion and argued a hurried withdrawal would be "a recipe for disaster".

The British government, Washington's key allies in the invasion, has similarly refused to give a withdrawal date for its 8,000 or so troops in Iraq's four southern states, although has said it could happen next year.

For his part, Mr Powell considered the US military could not be deployed in Iraq at its current strength for years to come, raising the possibility of withdrawal from next year.

But he told the BBC that "essentially just to walk away, to say that we're taking all of our troops out as fast as we can, would be a tragic mistake". A US presence would be required in Iraq for "years", he added.

"We've invested a great deal in this country, and the Iraqi people deserve democracy and the freedom that they were promised when we got rid of Saddam Hussein and we have to stay with them... until they decide that they can get it now on their own, they don't need us any longer," he added.

"And even then, I suspect, there will be a continuing relationship and presence of some significance for some years to come."

In the interview, Mr Powell confirmed that White House "hawks" US Vice-President Dick Cheney and Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld had bypassed him and other colleagues on occasions.

Mr Powell's former chief-of-staff Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson made the damning allegations last month, accusing Cheney and Rumsfeld of running a "cabal" and hijacking US military and foreign policy.

Discussions with Rumsfeld about dealing with the aftermath of the Iraq invasion were "not pleasant", Mr Powell admitted in the interview.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: atta; bush; bush43; colinpowell; georgewbush; intelligence; iraq; iraqwmd; powell; prewarintelligence; slamdunk; whitehouse; wmd; wot
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This should stir things up!
1 posted on 12/17/2005 6:14:15 PM PST by Aussie Dasher
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To: Aussie Dasher

Yep. Totally nukes the "Bush lied" crowd and it comes from one of their "heros" Powell.


2 posted on 12/17/2005 6:17:31 PM PST by MNJohnnie ("My job as the President is to see the world the way it is, not the way we hope it is." -GW Bush)
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To: Aussie Dasher

Well the media has been singing Powells praises of late. It will be interesting to see them do a "Belafonte"


3 posted on 12/17/2005 6:17:55 PM PST by traderrob6
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To: Aussie Dasher

The article neglected Sheila Jackson Lee who suggested we hide the troops in the desert so nobody will know we are there.


4 posted on 12/17/2005 6:18:04 PM PST by RTINSC (Being Offended is the Natural Consequence of Leaving Your Home...)
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To: Aussie Dasher

OOPS. Wrong thread.


5 posted on 12/17/2005 6:18:45 PM PST by RTINSC (Being Offended is the Natural Consequence of Leaving Your Home...)
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To: RTINSC

I suggest we hide her in the desert, and nobody will know she is there.


6 posted on 12/17/2005 6:19:44 PM PST by popdonnelly
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To: Aussie Dasher

Well, this is very interesting to say the least...Powell confirms what the WH has been saying for months...


7 posted on 12/17/2005 6:20:17 PM PST by mystery-ak (Merry Christmas)
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To: RTINSC

Wouldn't work, all the enemy would have to do is look for the Martian flag.


8 posted on 12/17/2005 6:20:29 PM PST by razorback-bert
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To: Mo1

Get a load of this.


9 posted on 12/17/2005 6:20:48 PM PST by hipaatwo (Denny Crane!)
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To: Aussie Dasher

Sounds like political hacks at the intelligence agencies might have been busy dressing up the intel reports so the boss would here what they thought he wanted to hear.


10 posted on 12/17/2005 6:21:11 PM PST by saganite (The poster formerly known as Arkie 2)
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To: Aussie Dasher
Powell will become the lefts next target. From hero to villain in one fell swoop.
11 posted on 12/17/2005 6:21:24 PM PST by b4its2late (Eye souport publik edekashun two.)
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To: Aussie Dasher

Excellent article. The CIA lies are being brought to light!


12 posted on 12/17/2005 6:22:21 PM PST by frankjr
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To: Aussie Dasher

"And even then, I suspect, there will be a continuing relationship and presence of some significance for some years to come."

I certainly hope so. We've got Syria and Iran to deal with next.


13 posted on 12/17/2005 6:24:28 PM PST by ironman
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To: Aussie Dasher

All evidence and signs for years pointed to Saddam having WMD-s. He was given 6 months in addition to prove that his WMD were destroyed and to let the UN inspectors in and he didn't do it, he used that time to hide away and transport the WMD out of Iraq, to Syria.

I am really annoyed that people claim that just because we didn't find tons of WMD when we went into Iraq, they never existed.

If you lose something, or something is stolen, how would you like it, if the Insurance company says they won't pay, because the fact that you don't have it now is evidence that you never had it in the first place. If this sounds ridiculous, well, the exact same logic is being used in the case of the WMD: we didn't find them, after having given Saddam ample warning to hide them or dispose of them, therefore they never existed.


14 posted on 12/17/2005 6:25:25 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: saganite

"here what they thought he wanted to hear." That's covering the spelling bases. ;^)


15 posted on 12/17/2005 6:25:41 PM PST by billhilly (Demo camo is yellow and white)
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To: prairiebreeze; Peach; Dog

More goodies for your files.


16 posted on 12/17/2005 6:28:05 PM PST by kayak (Praying for MozartLover's son, all our military, and our President every day!)
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To: Aussie Dasher

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1615880


Kay: "I actually think the intelligence community owes the president (an
explanation) rather than the president owing the American people (an
explanation). You have to remember that this view of Iraq (that it had WMD)
was held during the Clinton administration and didn't change in the Bush
administration.


Kay said there was "a constant stream of trucks, cars, rail traffic" moving
from Iraq to Syria. "We simply don't know what was moved," he said, adding,
"The Syrian government has shown absolutely no interest in helping us resolve
this issue."


he told NPR "I think it was reasonable to reach the conclusion that Iraq
posed an imminent threat."


Kay: "I must say I actually think Iraq — what we learned during the
inspections — made Iraq a more dangerous place potentially than in fact we
thought it was even before the war."


17 posted on 12/17/2005 6:28:19 PM PST by Names Ash Housewares
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To: Aussie Dasher
I just don't know how a logical person could believe that Iraq did NOT have WMD after the friggin WORLD said he did.

What was Bush supposed to do, personally inspect Iraq himself with a magnifying glass, because Saddam surely was NOT providing evidence he had gotten rid of anything.
It was up to Iraq to provide evidence of WMD destruction. they never did. BTW, who care about WMD, Iraq broke 14 UN resolutions, and repeatedly breached the ceasefire terms from the Gulf war.

Powell, is a Mcpainintheass loser, as well as all the MSM/dem, anti-war,CIA, State Dept. prix.

18 posted on 12/17/2005 6:29:00 PM PST by sirchtruth (Words Mean Things...)
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To: All

Powell/Rice 2008. Or Rice/Powell 2008.

Do you realize it would make perfect sense if they were both simply . . . moderately pro Life? I think both are very slightly pro Choice . . . I think Rice and Powell have both said something about the calendar. Someone can dig this out. I think they were okay with the morning after pill but strongly opposed to abortion after a few weeks or something. This is far far more stringent than the Dems who are okay with killing right up to partial birth. But they both didn't draw the line at conception and that would make them uncomfortable for our hardliners to support.

OTOH, hell, if people are talking Guilliani and McCain . . . I think Rice and Powell are more pro Life than either.

But . . . God wouldn't it be nice to watch the left go utterly INSANE when they realize the first black ticket to be elected is Republican?


19 posted on 12/17/2005 6:29:06 PM PST by Owen
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To: hipaatwo

Well ... the Dems just lost another argument

Guess this means Harry Reid will be calling Powell a loser too, huh?


20 posted on 12/17/2005 6:29:13 PM PST by Mo1 (Message to Democrats .... We do not surrender and run from a fight !!)
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To: MNJohnnie

"Yep. Totally nukes the "Bush lied" crowd and it comes from one of their "heros" Powell."

Even Powell seems to recognize that one McCain at a time is all we can take.


21 posted on 12/17/2005 6:29:55 PM PST by billhilly (Demo camo is yellow and white)
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To: MNJohnnie
Yep. Totally nukes the "Bush lied" crowd and it comes from one of their "heros" Powell.

Yup, ole Chrissy Matthews and his nightly "Get Bush" show will be a little upset over this.

22 posted on 12/17/2005 6:30:59 PM PST by umgud (uncompassionate conservative)
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To: MNJohnnie
This is good news, but it would be even better if Powell would slap down that twit Wilkinson.
23 posted on 12/17/2005 6:31:06 PM PST by smoothsailing ('68'69 Nam vet-NEVER FORGET)
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To: MNJohnnie
Yep. Totally nukes the "Bush lied" crowd and it comes from one of their "heros" Powell.

Oh you can bet the left liberal loonies will quickly distance themselves with their prior "friend" Powell now that he has vindicated that evil Bush. Just like they turned on Judith Miller. It has to be their way or the high way. For the "tolerant lefties" they sure do not believe in practicing the tolerance they preach - only to be applied to the conservative right wingnuts I guess.

24 posted on 12/17/2005 6:31:28 PM PST by p23185 (Why isn't attempting to take down a sitting Pres & his Admin considered Sedition?)
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To: Aussie Dasher

I still don't get it. The WMDs were all there, the Russians moved them to Syria, and the Demoratic politicians gave them time to do it.


25 posted on 12/17/2005 6:32:12 PM PST by pctech
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Slam dunk!

26 posted on 12/17/2005 6:32:28 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham
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To: pctech

OK, so what don't you get?


27 posted on 12/17/2005 6:34:58 PM PST by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker! (Charlie Mike, son))
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To: Aussie Dasher

WHOA....the Sh*t is hitting the fan this week.......


28 posted on 12/17/2005 6:35:15 PM PST by goodnesswins (Merry Christmas......and if you don't like that, you don't get a day off....got it?)
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To: ironman

The dems will never allow it until or unless they nuke Israel and even then my money is on an isolationist approach.


29 posted on 12/17/2005 6:35:29 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Mo1

Guess this means Harry Reid will be calling Powell a loser too, huh?


I can't stomach Reid. I can't remember the last time I heard him speak. I always turn the channel when he's on. It's like watching slime talk.


30 posted on 12/17/2005 6:36:01 PM PST by hipaatwo (Denny Crane!)
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To: Aussie Dasher

Did Powell just get kicked in the head? Is the Amnesia oveR?


31 posted on 12/17/2005 6:36:22 PM PST by stocksthatgoup (Polls = Proof that when the MSM want your opinion it will give it to you.)
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To: FairOpinion
I am really annoyed that people claim that just because we didn't find tons of WMD when we went into Iraq, they never existed.

There is a truism in logic:

absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

You can't prove anything becuase you can't find evidence. You can only prove something based on the existance of evidence, not the lack of it. You can infer a conclusion, but you do so at great risk, for exactly the reaons that you put forward.

32 posted on 12/17/2005 6:36:29 PM PST by Phsstpok (There are lies, damned lies, statistics and presentation graphics, in descending order of truth)
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To: p23185

Speaking of the left, loonie, lefties -- did you see that Cindy Sheehan held a anti-war protest outside the US embassy in Spain today? All of 100 people showed up. This woman is really lost, Spain pulled out almost a year ago.


33 posted on 12/17/2005 6:37:21 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: MNJohnnie

Chrissy Matthews will ignore this article...to concentrate on the article in the New York Times...


34 posted on 12/17/2005 6:37:21 PM PST by Txsleuth
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To: Aussie Dasher
We are losing the big picture focusing on the WMD's.

Everyone is acting like that was the only reason we went to war with Saddam Hussein.

HELLOoooo ... remember ... WMD's were not the only reason we wanted to oust Hussein.

35 posted on 12/17/2005 6:39:19 PM PST by manwiththehands ("Merry Christmas .... and Happy New Year ... you can take your seat now ...")
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To: FairOpinion

I feel the same way as you do....

I don't want anyone (least of all, President Bush) apologizing for faulty intelligence....unless/until we get a chance to go over all of Iraq and Syria, Lebanon and even France and Russia...

There are just too many places for WMDs to have been transported to....and then you still have the minds and evilness of Saddam and his sons....THEY were deadly all by themselves...to thousands...


36 posted on 12/17/2005 6:40:26 PM PST by Txsleuth
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To: Phsstpok

There was a large amount of evidence that Saddam DID have WMD. Based on that evidence everyone was sure he had them.

The fact that we didn't find any proves that we couldn't find them, or that maybe they weren't there WHEN we went in, but it's not proof that they weren't there a month before. Yet people keep insisting, that if we couldn't find them, that's absolute proof that he never had any, despite of all previous evidence.


37 posted on 12/17/2005 6:41:14 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: pctech
The WMDs were all there, the Russians moved them to Syria, and the Demoratic politicians gave them time to do it.

That's most likely what happened. If we ever venture into Syria and make the Big Find the Democrat party would be on life support and the GOP would significantly increase its congressional/senate majority. But after three years those WMDs are undoubtedly widely dispersed by now. ......with Hezbollah being one of the main recipients.

38 posted on 12/17/2005 6:43:20 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: Aussie Dasher
THE US administration was never told of doubts about the secret intelligence used to justify war with Iraq, former secretary of state Colin Powell told the BBC

This is not believeable. The Administration is not run by inexperienced children. Its leaders are well aware of the limitations and uncertainties which accompany all intelligence.

39 posted on 12/17/2005 6:45:02 PM PST by liberallarry
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To: FairOpinion
Exactly! While the UN dithered around and we waited, Saddam moved the WMDs out of the country or buried them in the sand.
40 posted on 12/17/2005 6:45:05 PM PST by Ditter
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To: manwiththehands
Everyone is acting like that was the only reason we went to war with Saddam Hussein.

That is all the media plays up. And it is causing unbearable stupidity.

41 posted on 12/17/2005 6:45:29 PM PST by M203M4
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To: FairOpinion
Yet people keep insisting, that if we couldn't find them, that's absolute proof that he never had any, despite of all previous evidence.

Yep, but what do you expect from a nation largely educated by members of the NEA?

42 posted on 12/17/2005 6:47:17 PM PST by Phsstpok (There are lies, damned lies, statistics and presentation graphics, in descending order of truth)
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To: Aussie Dasher

What took him so long to make that point?


43 posted on 12/17/2005 6:47:53 PM PST by adamsjas
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To: manwiththehands
Nice to agree with you on this one.

WMD's were only one of the reasons we went to war, and the fact that we didn't FIND them doesn't mean they didn't exist.

The stupid UN inspectors gave them all the time in the world to hide them.........or give them to Syria.......

44 posted on 12/17/2005 6:50:43 PM PST by ohioWfan (PROUD Mom of an Iraq War VET! THANKS, son!!!!)
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To: Aussie Dasher

Let me try and understand....

Valerie Plame a WMD analyst at the CIA. The WH did not know of CIA WMD concerns, something that should have come from her desk....

Is there a problem here?


45 posted on 12/17/2005 6:51:21 PM PST by Prost1 (I get my news at Free Republic!)
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To: hipaatwo

Reids the same stuff as Daschele-just piled higher.


46 posted on 12/17/2005 6:55:31 PM PST by F.J. Mitchell
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To: kayak

Thanks for the ping. It's illogical to believe there were no WMD in Iraq, IMO. And it's pointless for Powell to lament about not being told of that possibility at this juncture. In fact, it's irritating.

As others have pointed out, Saddam was allowed time to move or hide them. And they are likely dispersed.

The question I'd like to see Powell or any admin official ask publically is "who" had the interest in allowing Saddam to do just that. And why.


47 posted on 12/17/2005 6:56:45 PM PST by prairiebreeze (I am unapologetically and enthusiastically celebrating CHRISTMAS!!)
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To: Aussie Dasher
In the interview, Mr Powell confirmed that White House "hawks" US Vice-President Dick Cheney and Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld had bypassed him and other colleagues on occasions.

It would seem he is suffereing under the delusion that they reported to him? What ever gave him that idea?

Did he in turn always report to Rumsfeld when he wanted to take some action?

48 posted on 12/17/2005 6:56:50 PM PST by adamsjas
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To: Txsleuth

Pres. Bush is just basically appologizing for the CIA is my guess. Do you think he believes anything that is coming out of those fool's mouths? I sure don't.


49 posted on 12/17/2005 6:58:20 PM PST by eddie2 (Have a Merry Christmas)
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To: popdonnelly
...and nobody will know she is there.


Well...they may know...but it is doubtful they will care.
50 posted on 12/17/2005 7:01:01 PM PST by P-40 (http://www.590klbj.com/forum/index.php?referrerid=1854)
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